[News] Pizza Express customer punches a vegan

darkwolf666 said:

I don't know, if my daughter came home and told me she was a Vegan I would be thinking "where did I go wrong, was it all those salads when she was a kid"...

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The Clamp said:

Hmmm. No. In this situation, nobody needed to hit or be hit. Total overreaction.

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Bold Seagull said:

At sustainable levels maybe, at growing production levels it is not. Demand needs to decrease with a global population on the increase.

We don't necessarily have to go vegetarian or vegan, but less meat in our diets overall is an environmental necessity.

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Dr Bandler said:

So...with a growing population how are people to get their protein and certain nutrients? Turn more rainforest into arable land? Maybe we are uncovering the fact that the population growth means all food production will be destructive if it is to keep pace.

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Bold Seagull said:

There’s more science to it than I can explain to you on a forum. Plenty of reading available to expand your view. The key might be to unlock barren land and through irrigation and solar power grow food in otherwise dead landscapes. Desalination through renewable energy at zero carbon cost is technology on the horizon. More cows in fields isn’t going to help.

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Dr Bandler said:

It certainly needs deeper thought and action than is occurring now. A couple of articles about the real impact of correct red meat production that you may be interested in:

https://chriskresser.com/the-real-environmental-impact-of-red-meat-part-1/
https://chriskresser.com/the-real-environmental-impact-of-red-meat-part-2/

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The Clamp said:

I think if aggressive, old, gamman faced hooligans keep denying everything and punching people in the face, we should be okay.

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Dr Bandler said:

It certainly needs deeper thought and action than is occurring now. A couple of articles about the real impact of correct red meat production that you may be interested in:

https://chriskresser.com/the-real-environmental-impact-of-red-meat-part-1/
https://chriskresser.com/the-real-environmental-impact-of-red-meat-part-2/

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Bold Seagull said:

I don't think he concludes anything different to what I have said. I've not said eliminate red meat either, simply reduce it's consumption. As your link says, buy from a trusted sustainable farmer etc. The only way that will happen is through reduced demand and less mass production.

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abc said:

Within this thread there is some balanced argument about the climate change/food production debate. The 'vegan solution' has no more merit than the 'meat fest' solution. As in our diets, the answer is always a question of balance. Livestock farming is part of the solution, provided the production methods and locations are 'planet compatible'. Exactly the same applies to the production of non meat products.

I was particularly struck by a recent study: It takes 107 litres of water to produce 1 litre of almond milk because almonds, by definition, are grown in regions requiring irrigation which is in itself unsustainable.. It takes only 8 litres of water to produce 1 litre of cows' milk and when it is produced in the wetter parts of the world (eg the UK) almost all of this water originates as rainfall.

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