hart's shirt
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My preferred pronoun would be 'we...hate palace'.
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[Albion] Sam Smith Non Binary
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My preferred pronoun would be 'we...hate palace'.
maltaseagull
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More than one, I think!
Good lord! A sensible post amongst all the outrage. There's still hope for NSC yet.
Easy 10
Brain dead MUG SHEEP
People often seem to mistake the word "outrage" with "weary grumpy irritation".
highflyer
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- Jan 21, 2016
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I don't pretend to be expert, I guess we are all catching up!
I understand it in two ways:
1. That what we know ourselves to be in terms of male/female is mostly, but not always aligned with what we have between our legs.
2. That the two options of 'male' or 'female' are not as simple and as 'binary' as we tend to try and pretend. In reality, many people sit somewhere in between. To be able to see this as possible you have to be able to understand, and believe in, the first point, that it is not just about what you have between your legs that makes you one thing or the other.
So, putting aside the attention seeking aspect, what they are saying is that, whatever the physical body might be, they do not believe themselevs to be either 100% male or 100% female. And the evidence is that this is not something that they have any control over. and it's real. As real as me knowing that I am male.
It's different from sexuality. Which is about who you fall in love with/want to have sex with/fancy, not whether you are a man or a woman. But there are parallels. because for so long we tried to pretend (while ignoring the evidence) that sexuality was all neat and tidy and nothing existed beyond what was seen as 'normal'. But of course that's rubbish and we know it's all pretty complex and very few of us are not open to ideas one way or another...
Personally I find it fascinating, as it says so much about what we really are (not just defined by our physical bodies) but I am also capable of imagining what it must be like to feel that way - how difficult it would be. So I find it pretty easy to have some empathy.
BadFish
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- Oct 19, 2003
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I agree that it is pretty intresting. Many things that are scoffed at these days as attention seeking often turn out to be next level understanding of ourselves as human beings. Sometimes such emergence can me clumsy and awkward but if we give them a chance and seek to further our own understanding then often they start to make sense.
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Withdean11
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Lenny Rider
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I went on a CND march in 1981 when I was 16, years later I found some of their literature, talk about brainwashing.
The Wizard
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- Jul 2, 2009
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Are you saying THEY look like a man? Sexist pig.
theboybilly
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I think if people actually started doing this is might eventually stop this sh*t.
father_and_son
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Exactly the sort of uneducated bigotry that causes problems in the first place.
Sexuality and Identity are not the same. Whether or not they are gay is immaterial. They do not identify sufficiently as male to be happy being 'he' or female and 'she' and so, in order to describe their IDENTITY, they have chosen to use 'they' as it implies neither (or both).
This has not impacted YOU in any way at all so why the hostility?
You stand as almost the textbook reason why people struggle with the labels available. Both identity and sexuality are not black and white, yes or no, male or female, straight or gay questions, but both are spectrums where a person can be a little bit of one but also a little bit of the other, or mostly one but not completely or move from one position to another as they feel.
It has always been this way. But the relatively recent freedom from neanderthal attitudes (and religious suppression) has stopped people trying to pigeon-hole themselves just to suit the uneducated's view.
Leave them to do/be whoever they want to be and crawl back into your Daily Mail sponsored cave to bemoan the collapse of civilisation because some over-rated musician said something that offended you!
Knocky's Nose
Mon nez est en Valenciennes..
I won't go into any great detail as I really can't be arsed, but my initial thoughts are to respect his wishes as a human being.
My seconds thoughts are he's a massive twunt.
My seconds thoughts are he's a massive twunt.
that is utter gash. mentioning Shirley Bassey in the same sentence is doing her a massive disservice.
this makes my ears feel a good bit better. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHLQMGA9R0E
beorhthelm
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- Jul 21, 2003
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too bad they tagged "T" onto the end of LGBT, forever associating the two areas of concern.
Easy 10
Brain dead MUG SHEEP
Here we go again. I'm "offended", I'm "outraged" blah blah. Actually I'm neither. I just find this kind of twattery to be tiresome and irritating. He can call himself whatever he wants, he can describe himself however he wants, but broadcasting to the world that he now wants everyone to refer to him not as 'him' but as they/them is, in my opinion, textbook bellcheesery of the highest order. You can cast down your pious virtuous views from atop your high horse all you like, but it doesn't make your opinion any more right or wrong than mine or anyone elses on the matter.
I'll quite happily leave he/it/they to be whatever he/it/they wants to be, as I'll most likely have forgotten all about 'them' by the time I've finished this bag of Maltesers, so the impact on me, and them, is thankfully negligible. But forgive me if in the unlikely event I refer to Sam Smith at any point, I'll probably end up saying "him". I know, shocking bigotry, but what can you do.
Norman Potting
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I will just throw this into the mix and then get back to doing work.
[video]https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-bristol-49693983/the-parents-keeping-their-child-s-sex-a-secret[/video]
[video]https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-bristol-49693983/the-parents-keeping-their-child-s-sex-a-secret[/video]
Lenny Rider
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Is it not all linked HT?
As someone who grew up in the 20th century don't you find this all a bit strange?
The BBC website stated last week that there are now 100 defined genders, back in the 1980's there were only 2, are the additional 98 now classed as progress?
I refer you to 'the artist formerly known as Prince'. It's nothing new.
That said, if people want to be non-binary or gender fluid then what's the problem? As long as you aren't hurting anyone. I can't promise to start referring to everyone as 'them' and 'they' etc. but at the end of the day, it's just words and 'they can never hurt you'.*
EDIT: * although they can be wrong e.g. racism, bigotry etc. I was just referring to the well-known saying.
father_and_son
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The mathematician in me would have defined it in a coordinate system of sexuality on one axis and identity on the other so that you can define yourself and prospective partners by either a point or an equation.