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    Its simple, copy cricket and tennis.


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    Yes I know this another VAR thread, but one with a slight difference in that it has a tried and tested solution. The whole push for a VAR came from the need to stop howlers such as the "Hand of God" and other such notorious incidents. What we have ended up is a bloody monstrosity that only the most pedantic of perfectionists can like. Why not follow both cricket and tennis and give the sides a certain amount of referrals per half (probably one certainly no more than two) and leave the rest up to the on field refs, who I would not give the power of referral to as I suspect they would be too scared NOT to use it if they had it.

    This then gives the ability to the Captain/Manager to challenge a decision based on what his team are telling him.

    This system would deliver what was behind the push that led to VAR rather than the perfectionist system we have been lumbered with.

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      I think it's great.
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      What we have ended up is a bloody monstrosity that only the most pedantic of perfectionists can like.
      Excuse me
      Why not follow both cricket and tennis and give the sides a certain amount of referrals per half (probably one certainly no more than two) and leave the rest up to the on field refs, who I would not give the power of referral to as I suspect they would be too scared NOT to use it if they had it.

      This then gives the ability to the Captain/Manager to challenge a decision based on what his team are telling him.
      One issue I see with that is that it's often impossible for the players to see when it is and isn't offside. They're watching making runs, or watching the ball, and can't see where the defender is the moment a pass is made. They'd end up just referring each time there's a goal against them and hoping for the best (so today's goal would have still been ruled out). And if you give it to managers instead, some will have a team of people looking watching the game from around the pitch, looking at live footage etc, ready to give a signal to the manager (who, incidentally, would also not be in a position to see when a goal is offside).

      In cricket (and tennis), play is stopped after every ball, and the team can have a quick chat about whether or not to refer. That's not so much an option with football.
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      I think it's great.Excuse me
      Then I guess you are the type of pedantic perfectionist that I am talking about. As to "they can't see it" the players certainly think they can, remonstrating enough that they often get carded (or should) for their protestations. Let them put their money where their mouth is. Also if you had read my post carefully you would see that they would not be able to constantly refer, same as you cannot in Cricket or Tennis.
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      As to "they can't see it" the players certainly think they can, remonstrating enough that they often get carded (or should) for their protestations.
      Complaining to the ref doesn't mean they know. Defenders often put their hands up for offside, but there's much more chance the linesman is right. Equally strikers often celebrate only to later find out they were offside. They don't know.

      Also if you had read my post carefully you would see that they would not be able to constantly refer, same as you cannot in Cricket or Tennis.
      Seriously? If you'd read my reply you'd know that I knew that.
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      Complaining to the ref doesn't mean they know. Defenders often put their hands up for offside, but there's much more chance the linesman is right. Equally strikers often celebrate only to later find out they were offside. They don't know.

      Seriously? If you'd read my reply you'd know that I knew that.
      To quote you "They'd end up just referring each time there's a goal against them and hoping for the best" The point is you would limit this. Rather than every goal, every possible penalty, every possible hand ball, you get one chance per half to challenge a howler.

      More importantly you might love it, but judging by all the furore over VAR you are clearly in the minority so a compromise/change needs to happen. As I said we need to get back to the reason this was brought in which was to stop clear and obvious bad decisions.
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      Two challenges per game. But if your challenge is successful, you get that one back.

      Generally agree with your post. If the ref doesn't see it, the linos don't see it, the eleven opposing players don't see it, the manager and coaching staff don't see it, then it is probably not a clear and obvious error.

      Edit: Plus, of course, the ref should be able to ask for a review for a specific reason if he's unsure, since being unsure means he spotted a *possible* infraction.
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      Two challenges per game. But if your challenge is successful, you get that one back.

      Generally agree with your post. If the ref doesn't see it, the linos don't see it, the eleven opposing players don't see it, the manager and coaching staff don't see it, then it is probably not a clear and obvious error.

      Edit: Plus, of course, the ref should be able to ask for a review for a specific reason if he's unsure, since being unsure means he spotted a *possible* infraction.
      Take out the last bit on the ref and I’m in.
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      It’s simple, Chuck it in the bin.
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      In cricket (and tennis), play is stopped after every ball, and the team can have a quick chat about whether or not to refer. That's not so much an option with football.
      Isn’t play stopped in football after a goal??
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      One of my single biggest pleasures in life is losing it when albion score , and seeing the players lose it.
      This has now been tempered.
      Var is good in principle but how it’s being delivered is killing the spectacle
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