[Football] Right then. After that demonstration... VAR? Yes or No?

Gazwag said:

Just watching the Wolves game, they scored and was reviewed for offside but the VAR picture on the screen showed the ball at the feet of the player receiving the pass not the feet of the player making the pass. Goal was given though, eventually, great goal as well.

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Acker79 said:

What struck me about that Wolves goal review is that we saw the video of the lines being placed, the one for the ball was set, then we see the one for the player against whom the offside was being checked. It was quite clear that he was on side, as that line was being placed. Then his line was set. Did the ref blow the whistle? No. We had to wait for the two lines to be coloured in, before the ok was given.

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Lurker said:

It's sheer nonsense to suggest that any true football fan would happily accept their team losing points through incorrect decisions ...... just so long as they get the chance to jump up and down every now and then and wave their arms around like a Honey Monster in a bee farm.

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Exile said:

When the Palace injury-time ‘equaliser’ was flagged offside, in the 1-0 McShane game, there were celebrations worthy of any Albion goal!

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warmleyseagull said:

But we have to accept it isn't going away; and that it will affect the way we celebrate goals. I suspect the cure will be seen to be more of the dodgy medicine, as VAR influence grows (why not use it for to look for shirt pulling in box at corners, for example?). If it ruins the spectacle as much as many posters claim, perhaps the season ticket waiting list will suddenly reduce dramatically, but I rather doubt it....

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southstandandy said:

Has ther been a VAR rule change already since the first week?

In the pub last night a group of guys watching the Wolves game were discussing the validity of the Wolves equaliser as Joao Moutinho's arm was marginally shown to be offisde when the ball was played back to him before crossing for the goal but was not called offside. In the West Ham v Man City game on the first weekend Sterling's shoulder was adjudged offside ruling out what would have been their 3rd goal at the time.

Does anyone know under the new VAR rules if there is a difference between a shoulder being offside and another players arm?

Glad Wolves goal wasn't disallowed as it was brilliant, but genuinely was wondering why the different ruling between the two situations.

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withdeanwombat said:

VAR is great.

Why don’t they keep the results secret, then announce them after Match of the Day?

That way, everyone can experience the joy of the goals, the thrill of the win. Or vice versa, of course. Saturday night pints would taste brilliant, or like turgid dust on the tongue.

You could have had 5 hours of reliving that scintillating win, or trying to forget a dismal result.

Then Gary can announce the true results. Across England and outliers of Wales joy becomes gloom, gloom joy.

But by then everyone’s sloshed ��.

And so to bed.

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warmleyseagull said:

I don't; I agree its introduction has caused problems. Good point made on Sky commentary this evening that VAR has taken away more than it has given. Tonight a Man U player was flagged offside marginally near end of game and Martial stopped from crossing from a promising position. That isn't equitable: Man U should have had the chance to complete the move in case it wasn't offside, as they would have done had lino kept flag down. Good point on another thread that VAR doesn't even consider shirt pulling in penalty area, which is something it easily could as refs cannot be expected to see everything at corners.

I will confess to being a bit of a devil's advocate; what I am against is jumping on the anti VAR bandwagon on the basis of one incident, especially as it was proved to be correct. VAR is not right; there I have said it. But we have to accept it isn't going away; and that it will affect the way we celebrate goals. I suspect the cure will be seen to be more of the dodgy medicine, as VAR influence grows (why not use it for to look for shirt pulling in box at corners, for example?). If it ruins the spectacle as much as many posters claim, perhaps the season ticket waiting list will suddenly reduce dramatically, but I rather doubt it....

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mejonaNO12 aka riskit said:

I think those arguing FOR VAR are really missing the point. They argue that it would be better to have correct decisions or seem to think those of us against it are arguing about the decisions themselves.

I think Wolves showed last night that the vast majority of people are not anti getting things right. They are against the fact that the fluidity and sheer joy of scoring a goal has been removed from the game.

Neves scored a WONDERFUL goal....ran to the fans, was mobbed by the players, replays of his wonder strike shown over and over, joy all round............and then we have to wait to just check it really was OK.

Even after the goal was given the Wolves fans were chanting about VAR. It had taken away from the moment which, as I said before, is awful for the sport.

On paper, it's a lovely idea. Get things right.

I'm not sure the authorities actually realised in practice what effect this would have. I saw a video of a man city fan, after the Jesus goal was disallowed, sum it up perfectly. "I won't ever celebrate a last minute winner like that again because of VAR". How sad is that.

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Exile said:

This is simply that you are confusing shoulders and arms!

(Your shoulder CAN be offside - as can 'any part of the body you can play the ball with'. Your arm can NOT.)

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Easy 10 said:

I'd have it the way it used to be thanks, I've always been dubious of VAR. Criticising the ref / lino was always part of the game, but although there would be the odd frustration, we all accepted the odd duff call, because of exactly what you said - they had to make split-second decisions after having ONE look at it. Now VAR is involved, and we're still getting duff decisions, because its still just down to a human looking at a review and interpreting it. We're striving for an unattainable perfection now in a game of chaos.

And the cost of it is delays, interruptions, game time lost that never seems to be given back, and the diminishing enjoyment of a goal rush because you know in a minute or two, it could be binned off because of someones knee being a deemed a millimetre offside, or some inconsequential invisible "foul" that nobody else in the stadium even noticed. That Man City goal they rubbed off other day being a case in point.

Its so, so poor.

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SUA Seagull said:

If, as in the case of City’s goal vs Spurs and Albion’s goal vs West Ham, the officials didn't flag the incident in real time and not a single one of the opposition players challenged the “goal”, then to chalk it off seems absurd.

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