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    Commentators kept referring to it as a ‘leave’ voting ward / area on the live results show last night (?).
    It was. It was 52% Leave in the referendum.
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    NSC at its very best ~ a post based on assumption on a matter the poster hasn't got a clue about!!
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      If the Tories agree not to stand a candidate in those seats, giving the Labour leavers the chance to vote again for leave without having to do the unthinkable and vote Tory, Labour would lose several such seats.
      Don't buy it in those northern seats where the Leave vote was high, Sunderland might well see a smaller Labour majority but no-one else is winning the seats. A lot of the Brexit Party vote is people punishing the Tories for not delivering, that same sentiment won't exist in Labour seats
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      With Boris leading the Conservative, the Brexit Party really haven’t got a hope of wining a seat: maybe somewhere in north-east, but generally not much chance. They will just split the vote and let the Liberals in.

      Good news for the liberals and probably good news for Farage too as he prefers being a valiant loser to winning.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Kalimantan Gull View Post
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      Don't buy it in those northern seats where the Leave vote was high, Sunderland might well see a smaller Labour majority but no-one else is winning the seats. A lot of the Brexit Party vote is people punishing the Tories for not delivering, that same sentiment won't exist in Labour seats
      Brexit party, with the Tories not competing in certain pro-leave Labour seats would see Labour punished for hindering Brexit every step of the way. Labour would lose some seats - don't kid yourself. The only way Labour would win would be if the Tories were too arrogant to consider withdrawing from a few constituencies to give the BP a clear field to reinforce the pro-Brexit elements in Parliament. Luckily for Labour, the Tories probably are too arrogant.
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      You are confusing the Brexit Party with UKIP. There are very good reasons why the Brexit Party is separate from UKIP, leaving the latter to fester in its nasty right wing-ness. The Brexit Party is a one issue party, basically a pressure group rather than a party - which is what UKIP was when it was on the rise - and where it should have stayed.
      What's their policy position on the issues I mentioned though? Is it the same as UKIP in 2010 or not? Many of the same individuals from then are in the Brexit Party now. If they want to take votes off Labour in deprived leave voting constituencies such as mine for example, what's their policy on Universal Credit, because not everything is about Brexit for some people? Pressure group or political party, I can't see how the Tories can do a pact with them at a general election when they don't have a manifesto, let alone because of clashes of ego between certain individuals in the two of them.
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      take votes but not seats
      Yes I would tend to agree with that. Unless Labour completely collapse they can 'afford' to ignore the loss of the votes!
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      What's their policy position on the issues I mentioned though?
      Who cares? It doesn't matter, it's irrelevant. They don't need to have a policy on any of those things just to satisfy you. UKIP made the mistake of trying to turn itself into a party with policies on everything. The Brexit party hasn't been that stupid, not yet anyway, and hopefully it won't - it is a single issue party, or in reality a pressure group. Once we are out of the EU, it will probably just cease to exist. There will be no need for it.
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      It was. It was 52% Leave in the referendum.
      Maybe they've since seen sense?
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      There's an interesting paradox here though. BP's chance of getting any real power is to do a deal with the Tories so they stand aside in some constituencies and the Tories stand aside in a few too. Under this deal, Farage would be given a cabinet seat. But if they start polling too weakly, Tories would consider them an irrelevance and see no need to do a deal.
      But - and here's the paradox - a low-polling Brexit party would still take votes from the Tories.

      It's a bit of a problem for Johnson to decide what to do
      I’m still not sure the Brexit party will get enough votes to win more than a couple of seats even if the Tories step aside.

      Could you imagine the blue meltdown if the tories did this as well?

      Which seats would they step aside in? If already a Tory MP would they stand as an independent to split the vote even more?

      If it came to a GE, how many people can you see actually voting for the Brexit party? Enough leavers are against no deal to counter a large number that do - I get the feeling this is you? Voted leave but against a no deal?

      In the European election it was all Shiney and new, in 6 months - 2 years time it will just be noise.
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      Did you listen to Mishal Husain interview Rabb this week?

      If that was Pro-Brext, well..........
      Wasn’t that just a journalist calling out lies by a member of the cabinet

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