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[Albion] Charlton's Cat 2 academy has generated transfers of £50m in 4 years



Easy 10

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https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/jul/31/charlton-young-players-lookman-konsa-grant-gomez

Lookman £11m to Everton, now £22.5m to Leipzig
Konsa £12m to Villa
Gomez £3.5m to Liverpool
Grant to Hudds (undisc)

There are also currently three of their graduates now permanently plying their trade at Championship clubs - Fox at Massive, Ajayi at West Brom and Cousins at Stoke. All this despite them being surrounded by five Cat 1 academies (Arsenal, Chelsea, Fulham, Spurs, West Ham) and two Cat 2 academies (Millwall and Palace).

For a club bumping around between L1 and the Championship with a comedy owner, that is impressive. Wish ours could produce half what theirs does. Maybe Potter, Ashton and Barber should pay a visit and take a look at what they're doing there that we're not.
 




Icy Gull

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How long has it been established? That could have something to do with it.
 


Whitechapel

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F*cking hell, the lengths some people will go to so they can have a little pop at the club.

Let’s ignore White, Molumby, Walton, Gyokeres & Ostigard who will all be playing in the second tier this season. Let’s ignore the massive Championship interest in Connolly; the U-23 POTS for the whole league. Let’s ignore one of our youth graduates being discussed as a £45m+ transfer target. Let’s ignore the fact than in less than a decade our youth scouting team has gone from a couple of blokes going round Sussex parks trying to find someone to a massive team that picks up the lines of Mlakar; an apparently championship quality player for what is extensively peanuts in the grand scheme of things. Let’s ignore the fact our second highest transfer fee received ever is for a RB who played 2 games for our first team.

Let’s ignore all of that and wonder what we can learn from a championship/L1 yo-yo club who have to rely on their well established youth team to plug gaps in their squad that their asset stripping owner won’t pay to replace. Christ.
 


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Whitechapel said:
F*cking hell, the lengths some people will go to so they can have a little pop at the club.

Let’s ignore White, Molumby, Walton, Gyokeres & Ostigard who will all be playing in the second tier this season. Let’s ignore the massive Championship interest in Connolly; the U-23 POTS for the whole league. Let’s ignore one of our youth graduates being discussed as a £45m+ transfer target. Let’s ignore the fact than in less than a decade our youth scouting team has gone from a couple of blokes going round Sussex parks trying to find someone to a massive team that picks up the lines of Mlakar; an apparently championship quality player for what is extensively peanuts in the grand scheme of things. Let’s ignore the fact our second highest transfer fee received ever is for a RB who played 2 games for our first team.

Let’s ignore all of that and wonder what we can learn from a championship/L1 yo-yo club who have to rely on their well established youth team to plug gaps in their squad that their asset stripping owner won’t pay to replace. Christ.
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Post of year. Let’s ignore the fact you might be on ignore now by the OP... :)
 










Perkino

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If we were to be relegated I'm certain we would be promoting our U23's to the first team whist selling off our higher earners as quickly as we could. We've been cautiously battling against relegation in the premier league and our manager has favoured the approach of experience throughout the last 2 years even at the expense of our new first team signings not getting minutes until CH was ready
 




Ninja Elephant

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Whitechapel said:
F*cking hell, the lengths some people will go to so they can have a little pop at the club.

Let’s ignore White, Molumby, Walton, Gyokeres & Ostigard who will all be playing in the second tier this season. Let’s ignore the massive Championship interest in Connolly; the U-23 POTS for the whole league. Let’s ignore one of our youth graduates being discussed as a £45m+ transfer target. Let’s ignore the fact than in less than a decade our youth scouting team has gone from a couple of blokes going round Sussex parks trying to find someone to a massive team that picks up the lines of Mlakar; an apparently championship quality player for what is extensively peanuts in the grand scheme of things. Let’s ignore the fact our second highest transfer fee received ever is for a RB who played 2 games for our first team.

Let’s ignore all of that and wonder what we can learn from a championship/L1 yo-yo club who have to rely on their well established youth team to plug gaps in their squad that their asset stripping owner won’t pay to replace. Christ.
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:goal:

A year ago, maybe this thread makes sense. But not any more. Your post is spot on.
 


Stato

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Good to see that kids coming out of South London have a decent place to learn their trade where they don't have to risk being fed mouse droppings.
 


AmexRuislip

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Stato said:
Good to see that kids coming out of South London have a decent place to learn their trade where they don't have to risk being fed mouse droppings.
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London will always be a bigger catchment area than Sussex, for up and coming players.
Albion are playing in the big boys playground now and will have to learn very quickly.
 




Not Andy Naylor

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It's easier to give kids games in League One and the Championship rather than throwing them into the Premier League or even Championship promotion battles.
 


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Whitechapel said:
F*cking hell, the lengths some people will go to so they can have a little pop at the club.

Let’s ignore White, Molumby, Walton, Gyokeres & Ostigard who will all be playing in the second tier this season. Let’s ignore the massive Championship interest in Connolly; the U-23 POTS for the whole league. Let’s ignore one of our youth graduates being discussed as a £45m+ transfer target. Let’s ignore the fact than in less than a decade our youth scouting team has gone from a couple of blokes going round Sussex parks trying to find someone to a massive team that picks up the lines of Mlakar; an apparently championship quality player for what is extensively peanuts in the grand scheme of things. Let’s ignore the fact our second highest transfer fee received ever is for a RB who played 2 games for our first team.

Let’s ignore all of that and wonder what we can learn from a championship/L1 yo-yo club who have to rely on their well established youth team to plug gaps in their squad that their asset stripping owner won’t pay to replace. Christ.
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Nailed it. The club’s long term strategy is so obviously starting to work only an idiot would be looking to pick holes in it.
 






edna krabappel

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Not Andy Naylor said:
It's easier to give kids games in League One and the Championship rather than throwing them into the Premier League or even Championship promotion battles.
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This is a very valid point, chaps. Very few teenagers get a chance in Premier League sides, as the stakes are so high. Wan-Bissaka wasn't rated that highly in Palace's academy: his first team bow came out of necessity rather than choice, after all their other full backs got injured. Worked out very well for the lad: he obviously grabbed his chance. But his promotion was hardly the result of a calculated strategy by Roy Hodgson to give opportunities to youngsters.

Southampton have got a few through over the years, I guess, then there's Dwight McNeil at Burnley, but not many others.
 




Easy 10

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Whitechapel said:
F*cking hell, the lengths some people will go to so they can have a little pop at the club.

Let’s ignore White, Molumby, Walton, Gyokeres & Ostigard who will all be playing in the second tier this season. Let’s ignore the massive Championship interest in Connolly; the U-23 POTS for the whole league. Let’s ignore one of our youth graduates being discussed as a £45m+ transfer target. Let’s ignore the fact than in less than a decade our youth scouting team has gone from a couple of blokes going round Sussex parks trying to find someone to a massive team that picks up the lines of Mlakar; an apparently championship quality player for what is extensively peanuts in the grand scheme of things. Let’s ignore the fact our second highest transfer fee received ever is for a RB who played 2 games for our first team.

Let’s ignore all of that and wonder what we can learn from a championship/L1 yo-yo club who have to rely on their well established youth team to plug gaps in their squad that their asset stripping owner won’t pay to replace. Christ.
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Well, lots and lots of "apparently's" and "discussed as £45m targets" and "massive championship interest in", so its HOPEFULLY all in the pipeline as jam tomorrow - but as we speak, we're still waiting.

And as for Aleš Matějů - lets get this right. We signed him for £2.25m in August 2017 as a 21 year old. He stayed here a season (making those 2 appearances) before being loaned out to Brescia in July 2018 for a year. Then he signed for them permanently earlier this month. I haven't seen a fee mentioned, but his estimated market value on https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/ales-mateju/profil/spieler/242078 (usually fairly reliable) is around £1.5m, which for a bloke who's played 2 games seems more realistic, so I don't know where you're getting £5m from. But if we broke even on our £2m+ outlay we've done pretty well. Regardless of that anyway, you can hardly call him a product of the BHA academy, when he was already 21 when he arrived and only here for a year. Thats clearly NOT been the Charlton model that I'm talking about.

Perhaps I am being impatient. But unlike Charlton, we've thrown MULTI-MILLIONS at this over the last 6-7 years both in setting up infrastructure and in signings, and so far we've had precious little to show for it.

I hope all your 'apparentlys' and 'discussed as' talk eventually bear fruit, and maybe they will in time. But Charlton are clearly doing something bloody amazing, and I can't see how it wouldn't harm to see what their methods are, because they're clearly doing something right.
 
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AZ Gull

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Whitechapel said:
Aleš Matějů (thank you Wikipedia for all the little bits above his name)

Sold to Brescia for a rumoured £5,000,000 this summer, after we signed him for £2m a few years ago.
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Easy 10 said:
Well, lots and lots of "apparently's" and "discussed as £45m targets" and "massive championship interest in", so its HOPEFULLY all in the pipeline as jam tomorrow - but as we speak, we're still waiting.

And as for Aleš Matějů - lets get this right. We signed him for £2.25m in August 2017 as a 21 year old. He stayed here a season (making those 2 appearances) before being loaned out to Brescia in July 2018 for a year. Then he signed for them permanently earlier this month. I haven't seen a fee mentioned, but his estimated market value on https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/ales-mateju/profil/spieler/242078 (usually fairly reliable) is around £1.5m, which for a bloke who's played 2 games seems more realistic, so I don't know where you're getting £5m from. But if we broke even on our £2m+ outlay we've done pretty well. Regardless of that anyway, you can hardly call him a product of the BHA academy, when he was already 21 when he arrived and only here for a year. Thats clearly NOT been the Charlton model that I'm talking about.
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The Argus reported the fee as "around £4.4 million" when the loan deal to Brescia was pending in July 2018 (so presumably it was a fee of 5million euro given the prevailing exchange rate).
 


Easy 10

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AZ Gull said:
The Argus reported the fee as "around £4.4 million" when the loan deal to Brescia was pending in July 2018 (so presumably it was a fee of 5million euro given the prevailing exchange rate).
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Which, if that is the case, is very good business. But you can't tell me that he was one of "our youngsters", or a product of the BHA academy. He patently wasn't, he was already 21 when he arrived, and barely here a year, so grandstanding that as some kind of feather in the cap for Lancing is (frankly) bobbins.
 


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