[Football] Aston Villa

Easy 10 · Jul 25, 2019

Simster said:
Jack Grealish has played 34 Premier League appearances for Villa. During that time, he was a regular for Villa over 2 seasons, scored 1 goal, and they finished 17th and then 20th.

Now I'm not saying Grealish is a bad player, but how is that any better than Dale Stephens who was instrumental in back to back top 3 Championship finishes (something Grealish hasn't done in a very expensively assembled squad) before certain no-nothings on here wrote him off last season as unable to pass forwards?

Villa have been an all-round shambles for several years now though, he can't do it all on his own. They weren't even that great last season, only fluking up through the playoffs.

I would have Grealish over Stephens in a heartbeat. Dynamic, creative, aggressive going forward, has an eye for goal. Had Villa failed to go up this year he'd probably have ended up somewhere like Spurs this season, he's far too good for Villa.

Simster · Jul 25, 2019

Easy 10 said:
Villa have been an all-round shambles for several years now though, he can't do it all on his own. They weren't even that great last season, only fluking up through the playoffs.

I would have Grealish over Stephens in a heartbeat. Dynamic, creative, aggressive going forward, has an eye for goal. Had Villa failed to go up this year he'd probably have ended up somewhere like Spurs this season, he's far too good for Villa.

I'm not saying Grealish is anything other than a good player, but I can't say I'd take Grealish over Stephens until I've seen how well Grealish adaps to life in the top division. And excusing midfield Grealish's averageness two years ago on the basis that the players around him weren't good enough doesn't seem to hold much sway for many here when we talk about Davy Propper, who plays regularly for one of the best international teams in Europes.

So to recap my position, I want to see a how Grealish fares in the Premier League before deciding I'd take him over any of our players.

spence · Jul 25, 2019

Simster said:
And the key point you're missing is that he is totally unproven in the Premier league if we are going to write off his 2 seasons there as a youngster.

Who said about writing off two seasons he already had? If anything that will put him in good shape for this season. He was a kid in a shit side that went down. He has come on hugely in the last couple of years. He would walk into most Premier league sides now.

spence · Jul 25, 2019

Simster said:
I'm not saying Grealish is anything other than a good player, but I can't say I'd take Grealish over Stephens until I've seen how well Grealish adaps to life in the top division. And excusing midfield Grealish's averageness two years ago on the basis that the players around him weren't good enough doesn't seem to hold much sway for many here when we talk about Davy Propper, who plays regularly for one of the best international teams in Europes.

So to recap my position, I want to see a how Grealish fares in the Premier League before deciding I'd take him over any of our players.

Think about 90% of people on here would swap Stephens for Grealish in a heartbeat.

Is it PotG? · Jul 25, 2019

spence said:
Think about 90% of people on here would swap Stephens for Grealish in a heartbeat.

Big guess. I'd sooner keep Stephens.

spence · Jul 25, 2019

Is it PotG? said:
Big guess. I'd sooner keep Stephens.

Poll time ?

Simster · Jul 25, 2019

spence said:
Think about 90% of people on here would swap Stephens for Grealish in a heartbeat.

I don't disagree. The grass is always greener isn't it?

But does that mean he's better? Of course not.

Is it PotG? · Jul 25, 2019

spence said:
Poll time ?

Can do. It takes more than an iffy barnet and rolling your socks down to be a PL player.

theboybilly · Jul 25, 2019

spence said:
Think about 90% of people on here would swap Stephens for Grealish in a heartbeat.

I wouldn't but I would take Grealish in addition. The game-changer in both matches in 2016/17

spence · Jul 25, 2019

theboybilly said:
I wouldn't but I would take Grealish in addition. The game-changer in both matches in 2016/17

This is exactly why will struggle in the Premier league when you have a ponderous player like Stephens in the squad.

Lethargic · Jul 25, 2019

I dont get the envy around Villa, scatter gun recruitment because they knew they were not good enough to stay up. Big gamble and I dont think it will work in the cock pit that is the Premier League.
20mil for Mings the best thing about him is his name and how many games does a name win?

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Is it PotG? · Jul 25, 2019

spence said:
This is exactly why we will struggle in the Premier league when you have a ponderous player like Stephens in the squad.

Nothing to do with wingers that don't wing and a centre forward eligible for a free TV Licence?

Gwylan · Jul 25, 2019

Is it PotG? said:
It takes more than an iffy barnet and rolling your socks down to be a PL player.

Quite. You need the tattoos as well

spence · Jul 25, 2019

Is it PotG? said:
Nothing to do with wingers that don't wing and a centre forward eligible for a free TV Licence?

Our wingers i feel won't be to bad under Potter. Will probably attack more with purpose. Midfield players like Stephens and Kayal really should have been moved on. Even Gross divides people but i like him despite being slower than Murray(well nearly) Hopefully Propper can player like he does for Holland.
I feel our midfielders is our weak point.

thejackal · Jul 25, 2019

LVGull said:
They have spent £100m already on new signings.

nwgull said:
Like Fulham last season?

What with Villa making their 10th summer signing (Douglas Luiz), taking their spend well over £100 million, I was going to start a thread asking this self same question...

.. but I won't now.

You beat me to it :smile:

Pantani · Jul 25, 2019

spence said:
Think about 90% of people on here would swap Stephens for Grealish in a heartbeat.

Comparing Grealish to Stephens is like comparing Ryan with Abraham. Different styles of players in different positions. Imagine Grealish being our midfield anchor, we would 100% get relegated if we did that.

theboybilly · Jul 25, 2019

spence said:
This is exactly why will struggle in the Premier league when you have a ponderous player like Stephens in the squad.

Stephens wasn't the problem last season.

Ernest · Jul 25, 2019

If Villa go bust as they were about to under the last owner I hope they don't ask ME for any sympathy

Weststander · Jul 25, 2019

spence said:
Our wingers i feel won't be to bad under Potter. Will probably attack more with purpose. Midfield players like Stephens and Kayal really should have been moved on. Even Gross divides people but i like him despite being slower than Murray(well nearly) Hopefully Propper can player like he does for Holland.
I feel our midfielders is our weak point.

ACM is definitely the main weakness. Our entire CM has zero pace at PL level (bar Bissouma who’s very much a work in progress). PL stats don’t lie, we don’t create.

Farehamseagull · Jul 25, 2019

Pantani said:
Comparing Grealish to Stephens is like comparing Ryan with Abraham. Different styles of players in different positions. Imagine Grealish being our midfield anchor, we would 100% get relegated if we did that.

To be honest I’m sure Grealish would do a better job in that role than Stephens though anyway. Grealish is a totally different level of player to Stephens, they’re not really comparable.

There are reasons why he’s been linked with £30/40/50 million moves to top 6 clubs. The issue with Grealish a couple of years ago was attitude, even though he still looked an excellent young player then but he has matured aswell now. He’s a proper talent. I can only assume those saying they would take Stephens over him have not watched Grealish play much.

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