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Tom Hark Preston Park

Will Post For Cash
Jul 6, 2003
70,161
Well I would have to see the evidence for myself rather than taking someones word for it on NSC. Even his worst enemies haven't used a paedophile angle against him so this is a surprise to me as it is a massive claim to make.

Which daughter is making the claim? And what sexualising comment was made?

I can see that Clinton had a connection with Epstein at a quick Google glance?

To me, right now, I would file it under Conspiracy Theory.

Plenty enough Google hits for 'Jeffrey Epstein Prince Andrew'...
 




highflyer

Well-known member
Jan 21, 2016
2,434
Well I would have to see the evidence for myself rather than taking someones word for it on NSC. Even his worst enemies haven't used a paedophile angle against him so this is a surprise to me as it is a massive claim to make.

Which daughter is making the claim? And what sexualising comment was made?

I can see that Clinton had a connection with Epstein at a quick Google glance?

To me, right now, I would file it under Conspiracy Theory.

I think the point was that there are a certain group of people (eg the ship's doctor in this case) who are happy to go along with some of the wildest and entirely unsubstantiated CTs when they are aimed at people of a certain colour or political inclination, yet seem to ignore those CTs with some genuine (if unproven and possibly tenuous) credibility which are pointed in another direction.

'so Mr Racist, what first attracted you to the alt-right conspiricy theory about this popular, beautiful, eloquent, black woman'?
 


symyjym

Banned
Nov 2, 2009
13,138
Brighton / Hove actually
Here's what he said about Paris Hilton, when she was 12...

"Now, somebody who a lot of people don't give credit to but in actuality is really beautiful is Paris Hilton. I've known Paris Hilton from the time she's 12, her parents are friends of mine, and the first time I saw her she walked into the room and I said, 'Who the hell is that?'"

and of course, who can forget...

"I've got to use some Tic Tacs, just in case I start kissing her. You know I'm automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait. And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything ... Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything."

The Paris Hilton story sounds a little bit different written down than what it did in the live interview though which you can see here: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/donald-trump-paris-hilton/

I haven't seen her video tbh but I am sure there would be a good handful of NSCr's who have. It just comes over as another story made to sound a lot worse than it is because in that clip there is no evidence of him lusting after a 12 year old. He actually says the youngest he goes for is 25.

Just wondering where this grain of truth is in the conspiracy theorist thread?
 


Bold Seagull

strong and stable with me, or...
Mar 18, 2010
29,789
Hove
The Paris Hilton story sounds a little bit different written down than what it did in the live interview though which you can see here: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/donald-trump-paris-hilton/

I haven't seen her video tbh but I am sure there would be a good handful of NSCr's who have. It just comes over as another story made to sound a lot worse than it is because in that clip there is no evidence of him lusting after a 12 year old. He actually says the youngest he goes for is 25.

Just wondering where this grain of truth is in the conspiracy theorist thread?

Who knows. Of the 2 bits of conjecture, I know which one I am leaning toward more.
 








Mellotron

I've asked for soup
Jul 2, 2008
31,841
Brighton
Well I would have to see the evidence for myself rather than taking someones word for it on NSC.

Go for it - there's tonnes of there, and with actual quotes from real people, along with actual court documents from the child rape case. Far more evidence to it than a lot fo Conspiracy Theories.

And yes, Bill Clinton is also potentially implicated by the Epstein case. I have to admit I'm surprised you haven't heard about any of this, thought the strong rumours were pretty common knowledge given his strange relationship with Ivanka.
 


Mellotron

I've asked for soup
Jul 2, 2008
31,841
Brighton
I agree that everything that Trump could probably be accused of he will be accused of. I have grown deaf to the people and the media crying wolf at every opportunity on a daily basis and we know how the story ends.

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, actually admits to being a duck...
 




symyjym

Banned
Nov 2, 2009
13,138
Brighton / Hove actually
Go for it - there's tonnes of there, and with actual quotes from real people, along with actual court documents from the child rape case. Far more evidence to it than a lot fo Conspiracy Theories.

And yes, Bill Clinton is also potentially implicated by the Epstein case. I have to admit I'm surprised you haven't heard about any of this, thought the strong rumours were pretty common knowledge given his strange relationship with Ivanka.

So he is ****ing Ivanka now :lolol:

I am obviously wasting my life and need to catch up. Where can I find all these strong Trump rumours?
 








Mellotron

I've asked for soup
Jul 2, 2008
31,841
Brighton
So he is ****ing Ivanka now :lolol:

I am obviously wasting my life and need to catch up. Where can I find all these strong Trump rumours?

Yeah that's what I said, isn't it...:dunce:

This took me about SIX seconds, enjoy.

https://forward.com/schmooze/357185/7-creepy-things-donald-trump-has-said-about-ivanka/

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/donald-trump-ivanka-trump-creepiest-most-unsettling-comments-a-roundup-a7353876.html

Pretty much all ACTUAL quotes. Not the usual YouTube nonsense you get with Conspiracy Theories.

He blatantly fancies his own daughter - there are many quotes like the one below.

Rolling Stone interview, September 2015

“After I met Ivanka and praised her to her father, he said, ‘Yeah, she's really something, and what a beauty, that one. If I weren't happily married and, ya know, her father . . .’”

He used to walk in on underage girls getting changed, intentionally - this has been backed up by several witnesses/sources.

Ivanka, on being asked about her father's predilection for walking in on young girls when they are getting changed;

"Yeah, he does that."

He has been credibly accused of rape of a 14 year old. CORRECTION: Sorry, a 13 year old.

http://thememoryhole2.org/blog/doe-v-trump

I don't quite know what more you need really?! We know - again from his own mouth - that he does what he wants with women. "When you're famous, they let you do it."

Also, does it really surprise you? Watching him for more than about 10 seconds you can tell he's a creepy oddball of a man, and he's endlessly projecting his own weaknesses/vices onto others.
 
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Questions

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Oct 18, 2006
24,877
Worthing
Never report to the ships doctor; they are ambulance chasing quacks, profiteers of the worst kind.
This guy is 73, which begs the question, after a long career supposedly making a decent living; why are you here?
Absolute nut job!

You wouldnt want him treating you for a mild dose of the clap would you ?


‘Right lets chop this little lot of then’
 


Mellotron

I've asked for soup
Jul 2, 2008
31,841
Brighton
SEXUAL ASSAULT ACCUSATIONS

Here is what we know about the accusations of assault against Donald Trump, including the date of the alleged assault. These are standing allegations of assault that have not been disavowed by the alleged victim.

Kristin Anderson – Early 1990s. Story in the Washington Post on October 14, 2016.
Anderson says she was in a Manhattan bar with friends when the person next to her reached up her skirt and touched her vagina through her underwear. She says she turned and recognized the person as Donald Trump.

E. Jean Carroll – late 1995 or early 1996. Story in NY Magazine June 21 and expected in upcoming book.
Carroll describes running into Trump in a department store, where she says he recognized her for her widely-read advice column. Carroll says they went into a dressing room after Trump asked for her advice on a present – lingerie – for another woman. Inside, she alleges that he shoved her against a wall, “forcing his fingers around my private area, thrusts his penis halfway — or completely, I’m not certain — inside me.” A senior White House official issued a statement to NY Magazine calling the accusation, “a completely false and unrealistic story.”

Rachel Crooks – 2005. Story in The New York Times on October 12, 2016.
A 22-year-old receptionist at the time, Crooks said Trump gave her an unwanted kiss on the mouth after meeting him in 2005.

“Jane Doe” aka “Katie Johnson” – 1994. Lawsuit filed June 2016, refiled October 2016 as reported by Buzzfeed and others, then dropped in November 2016.
Jane Doe is an unnamed plaintiff, who has also gone by “Katie Johnson” in legal papers. She claims she was repeatedly raped by Trump and Jeffery Epstein at Epstein’s New York City apartment in 1994, when she was 13 years old. A witness, also given a pseudonym — “Tiffany Doe” — said she recruited “Jane Doe” and others. Doe, using the name “Johnson,” gave an interview to the Daily Mail in which she said she did not know who Trump was at the time of the alleged attack but identified him later when she saw him on television. It is not known why she withdrew the lawsuit. She has not spoken publicly or withdrawn her rape allegation since then.

Jessica Drake – 2006. Story made public at a news conference October 22, 2016.
While working as an adult film actress, Drake says Trump invited her to the room where he was staying in Lake Tahoe. In the room, she says he grabbed, hugged and kissed her and two other women who accompanied her without permission. Later, she alleges that Trump called her and pressed her to return to his room, offering $10,000 at one point. Drake says she declined.

Jill Harth – 1992-1993. Story in the The New York Times on October 9, 2016.
A Florida businesswoman who partnered with Trump and later dated him. Harth alleged that he groped her under the table at dinner with her boyfriend then repeatedly got her alone, and it would turn into a “wrestling match.” She sued Trump for breach of contract, sexual harassment and at one point attempted rape. She settled and then in 1998 dated Trump.

Cathy Heller – 1997. Story in the Guardian on October 15, 2016.
At a Mother’s Day brunch for Mar-A-Lago club members’ families in 1997, Heller alleges that when she was introduced to Trump, he grabbed her and tried to kiss her on the lips. Heller says she leaned back to avoid him and then he kissed her on the side of her mouth. CNN has reported Heller is a Democratic donor.

Ninni Laaksonen – 2006. Former Miss Finland. Story in Ilta-Sonomat on October 27, 2016. In English in the Telegraph.
Laaksonen told Finnish newspaper Ilta-Sonomat that Trump “squeezed her butt” as she and other pageant contestants stood next to him for a publicity photo, ahead of an appearance on The Letterman Show.

Jessica Leeds – Early 1980s. Story in The New York Times on October 12, 2016.
Leeds says she sat next to Trump in first class on an airplane and that he kissed her, groped her chest and reached up her skirt, leading her to move back to coach. “He was like an octopus,” she told The New York Times. In a NY Post report published October 14, 2016, a British man whose interview was arranged by the Trump campaign said that he was on the flight, that Leeds’ account is false and he remembers Leeds acting inappropriately.

Mindy McGillivray – Jan. 24, 2003. Story in Palm Beach Post on October 12, 2016.
Working as an assistant to photographers at Mar-a-Lago in 2003, McGillivray charges that Trump nudged or grabbed her from behind.

Jennifer Murphy – 2004. Story in Grazia on October 12, 2016.
A former Miss USA and “The Apprentice” contestant, Grazia says that Trump kissed her on the lips after walking her to the elevators following a meeting in New York, which he said was to discuss a possible job.

Cassandra Searles – 2013. Made story public in Facebook post in early 2016.
Miss Washington 2013, Searles wrote on Facebook, “He probably doesn’t want me telling the story about that time he continually grabbed my ass and invited me to his hotel room.”

Natasha Stoynoff – December 2005. Story on People.com on October 12, 2016.
Stoynoff was a celebrity reporter covering Trump for People Magazine. She alleges that Trump assaulted her while she was at Mar-a-Lago interviewing him and Melania Trump for a story about their one-year anniversary. She alleges Trump took her to a private room, pushed her against the wall and aggressively kissed her. Stoynoff also says a staffer told her Trump was waiting for her the next day at a massage appointment.

Temple Taggart McDowell – 1997. Story in New York Times May 14, 2016.
McDowell, who was Miss Utah USA 1997, charges that Trump suddenly kissed her without her consent on two separate occasions.

Karena Virginia – 1998. Story made public at a news conference October 20, 2016.
Virginia says that while she was waiting for a ride following the U.S Open tennis tournament, Trump walked up to her, grabbed her arm and touched her breast.

Summer Zervos – 2007. Story made public in a news conference October 14, 2016.
A former contestant on “The Apprentice,” Zervos alleges that Trump told her he wanted to discuss a possible job, but alone in a Beverly Hills Hotel bungalow, grabbed her breasts, kissed her and tried to lead her into a bedroom.

PAGEANT CONTESTANTS ALLEGING TRUMP WALKED IN WHILE THEY WERE DRESSING

Mariah Billado – 1997 Miss Vermont Teen. Story in Buzzfeed on October 12, 2016.

Tasha Dixon – 2001 Miss Arizona. Story in CBSLA on October 11, 2016.

Victoria Hughes – 1997 Miss New Mexico Teen. Story in Buzzfeed on October 13, 2016.

Bridget Sullivan – 2000 Miss New Hampshire. Story in Buzzfeed May 18, 2016.

Buzzfeed on October 12, 2016 reported that three other anonymous sources from 1997 Miss Teen USA pageant confirmed Billado and Hughes’ story.

OTHER ALLEGATIONS OF IMPROPER CONDUCT

Lisa Boyne – Summer 1996. Story in The Huffington Post on October 13, 2016.
Boyne alleges that at a group dinner, Trump and other men forced women to walk over the table to leave their seats and that Trump looked up the women’s skirts and commented on their underwear and genitalia.

Ivana Trump and Donald Trump married in 1977.[3] Ivana stated in a deposition taken in 1989, during their divorce proceedings, that Donald had visited her plastic surgeon following which he had expressed anger and ripped out hair from her scalp.[1] Donald said the allegation was "obviously false".[3] The book Lost Tycoon: The Many Lives of Donald Trump (1993), by Harry Hurt III, described the alleged attack as a "violent assault" during which Donald attacked Ivana sexually.[3] According to the book, Ivana later confided to some of her friends that Donald had raped her.

===

Of course, all TWENTY TWO of them are probably lying and the man well known for lying more than any President in human history is the one telling the truth. :dunce:
 




symyjym

Banned
Nov 2, 2009
13,138
Brighton / Hove actually
Yeah that's what I said, isn't it...:dunce:

This took me about SIX seconds, enjoy.

https://forward.com/schmooze/357185/7-creepy-things-donald-trump-has-said-about-ivanka/

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/donald-trump-ivanka-trump-creepiest-most-unsettling-comments-a-roundup-a7353876.html

Pretty much all ACTUAL quotes. Not the usual YouTube nonsense you get with Conspiracy Theories.

He blatantly fancies his own daughter - there are many quotes like the one below.



He used to walk in on underage girls getting changed, intentionally - this has been backed up by several witnesses/sources.



He has been credibly accused of rape of a 14 year old. CORRECTION: Sorry, a 13 year old.

http://thememoryhole2.org/blog/doe-v-trump

I don't quite know what more you need really?! We know - again from his own mouth - that he does what he wants with women. "When you're famous, they let you do it."

Also, does it really surprise you? Watching him for more than about 10 seconds you can tell he's a creepy oddball of a man, and he's endlessly projecting his own weaknesses/vices onto others.

The live show that his comments were made on just sounded like daft banter in the video. A quick exchange of flippant comments that shouldn't be taken seriously.

If he is convicted of raping a 14 year old girl then he should be jailed for it.

If he was perving in a young girls changing room he should have been exposed when it happened not 30 years later.

I haven't got time to go through conspiracy theories least of all the hundreds that are aimed at Trump.
 


hans kraay fan club

The voice of reason.
Helpful Moderator
Mar 16, 2005
61,295
Chandlers Ford
E. Jean Carroll
Carroll says they went into a dressing room after Trump asked for her advice on a present – lingerie – for another woman. Inside, she alleges that he shoved her against a wall, “forcing his fingers around my private area, thrusts his penis halfway — or completely, I’m not certain — inside me.”

Ouch.
 


symyjym

Banned
Nov 2, 2009
13,138
Brighton / Hove actually
SEXUAL ASSAULT ACCUSATIONS

Here is what we know about the accusations of assault against Donald Trump, including the date of the alleged assault. These are standing allegations of assault that have not been disavowed by the alleged victim.

Kristin Anderson – Early 1990s. Story in the Washington Post on October 14, 2016.
Anderson says she was in a Manhattan bar with friends when the person next to her reached up her skirt and touched her vagina through her underwear. She says she turned and recognized the person as Donald Trump.

E. Jean Carroll – late 1995 or early 1996. Story in NY Magazine June 21 and expected in upcoming book.
Carroll describes running into Trump in a department store, where she says he recognized her for her widely-read advice column. Carroll says they went into a dressing room after Trump asked for her advice on a present – lingerie – for another woman. Inside, she alleges that he shoved her against a wall, “forcing his fingers around my private area, thrusts his penis halfway — or completely, I’m not certain — inside me.” A senior White House official issued a statement to NY Magazine calling the accusation, “a completely false and unrealistic story.”

Rachel Crooks – 2005. Story in The New York Times on October 12, 2016.
A 22-year-old receptionist at the time, Crooks said Trump gave her an unwanted kiss on the mouth after meeting him in 2005.

“Jane Doe” aka “Katie Johnson” – 1994. Lawsuit filed June 2016, refiled October 2016 as reported by Buzzfeed and others, then dropped in November 2016.
Jane Doe is an unnamed plaintiff, who has also gone by “Katie Johnson” in legal papers. She claims she was repeatedly raped by Trump and Jeffery Epstein at Epstein’s New York City apartment in 1994, when she was 13 years old. A witness, also given a pseudonym — “Tiffany Doe” — said she recruited “Jane Doe” and others. Doe, using the name “Johnson,” gave an interview to the Daily Mail in which she said she did not know who Trump was at the time of the alleged attack but identified him later when she saw him on television. It is not known why she withdrew the lawsuit. She has not spoken publicly or withdrawn her rape allegation since then.

Jessica Drake – 2006. Story made public at a news conference October 22, 2016.
While working as an adult film actress, Drake says Trump invited her to the room where he was staying in Lake Tahoe. In the room, she says he grabbed, hugged and kissed her and two other women who accompanied her without permission. Later, she alleges that Trump called her and pressed her to return to his room, offering $10,000 at one point. Drake says she declined.

Jill Harth – 1992-1993. Story in the The New York Times on October 9, 2016.
A Florida businesswoman who partnered with Trump and later dated him. Harth alleged that he groped her under the table at dinner with her boyfriend then repeatedly got her alone, and it would turn into a “wrestling match.” She sued Trump for breach of contract, sexual harassment and at one point attempted rape. She settled and then in 1998 dated Trump.

Cathy Heller – 1997. Story in the Guardian on October 15, 2016.
At a Mother’s Day brunch for Mar-A-Lago club members’ families in 1997, Heller alleges that when she was introduced to Trump, he grabbed her and tried to kiss her on the lips. Heller says she leaned back to avoid him and then he kissed her on the side of her mouth. CNN has reported Heller is a Democratic donor.

Ninni Laaksonen – 2006. Former Miss Finland. Story in Ilta-Sonomat on October 27, 2016. In English in the Telegraph.
Laaksonen told Finnish newspaper Ilta-Sonomat that Trump “squeezed her butt” as she and other pageant contestants stood next to him for a publicity photo, ahead of an appearance on The Letterman Show.

Jessica Leeds – Early 1980s. Story in The New York Times on October 12, 2016.
Leeds says she sat next to Trump in first class on an airplane and that he kissed her, groped her chest and reached up her skirt, leading her to move back to coach. “He was like an octopus,” she told The New York Times. In a NY Post report published October 14, 2016, a British man whose interview was arranged by the Trump campaign said that he was on the flight, that Leeds’ account is false and he remembers Leeds acting inappropriately.

Mindy McGillivray – Jan. 24, 2003. Story in Palm Beach Post on October 12, 2016.
Working as an assistant to photographers at Mar-a-Lago in 2003, McGillivray charges that Trump nudged or grabbed her from behind.

Jennifer Murphy – 2004. Story in Grazia on October 12, 2016.
A former Miss USA and “The Apprentice” contestant, Grazia says that Trump kissed her on the lips after walking her to the elevators following a meeting in New York, which he said was to discuss a possible job.

Cassandra Searles – 2013. Made story public in Facebook post in early 2016.
Miss Washington 2013, Searles wrote on Facebook, “He probably doesn’t want me telling the story about that time he continually grabbed my ass and invited me to his hotel room.”

Natasha Stoynoff – December 2005. Story on People.com on October 12, 2016.
Stoynoff was a celebrity reporter covering Trump for People Magazine. She alleges that Trump assaulted her while she was at Mar-a-Lago interviewing him and Melania Trump for a story about their one-year anniversary. She alleges Trump took her to a private room, pushed her against the wall and aggressively kissed her. Stoynoff also says a staffer told her Trump was waiting for her the next day at a massage appointment.

Temple Taggart McDowell – 1997. Story in New York Times May 14, 2016.
McDowell, who was Miss Utah USA 1997, charges that Trump suddenly kissed her without her consent on two separate occasions.

Karena Virginia – 1998. Story made public at a news conference October 20, 2016.
Virginia says that while she was waiting for a ride following the U.S Open tennis tournament, Trump walked up to her, grabbed her arm and touched her breast.

Summer Zervos – 2007. Story made public in a news conference October 14, 2016.
A former contestant on “The Apprentice,” Zervos alleges that Trump told her he wanted to discuss a possible job, but alone in a Beverly Hills Hotel bungalow, grabbed her breasts, kissed her and tried to lead her into a bedroom.

PAGEANT CONTESTANTS ALLEGING TRUMP WALKED IN WHILE THEY WERE DRESSING

Mariah Billado – 1997 Miss Vermont Teen. Story in Buzzfeed on October 12, 2016.

Tasha Dixon – 2001 Miss Arizona. Story in CBSLA on October 11, 2016.

Victoria Hughes – 1997 Miss New Mexico Teen. Story in Buzzfeed on October 13, 2016.

Bridget Sullivan – 2000 Miss New Hampshire. Story in Buzzfeed May 18, 2016.

Buzzfeed on October 12, 2016 reported that three other anonymous sources from 1997 Miss Teen USA pageant confirmed Billado and Hughes’ story.

OTHER ALLEGATIONS OF IMPROPER CONDUCT

Lisa Boyne – Summer 1996. Story in The Huffington Post on October 13, 2016.
Boyne alleges that at a group dinner, Trump and other men forced women to walk over the table to leave their seats and that Trump looked up the women’s skirts and commented on their underwear and genitalia.

Ivana Trump and Donald Trump married in 1977.[3] Ivana stated in a deposition taken in 1989, during their divorce proceedings, that Donald had visited her plastic surgeon following which he had expressed anger and ripped out hair from her scalp.[1] Donald said the allegation was "obviously false".[3] The book Lost Tycoon: The Many Lives of Donald Trump (1993), by Harry Hurt III, described the alleged attack as a "violent assault" during which Donald attacked Ivana sexually.[3] According to the book, Ivana later confided to some of her friends that Donald had raped her.

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Of course, all TWENTY TWO of them are probably lying and the man well known for lying more than any President in human history is the one telling the truth. :dunce:

I haven't got time to go through all these but we know that there is a hate campaign against him. You cannot deny that. And all these 20 year allegations came out in 2016. If they had all reported it when it actually happened he would have been jailed and would never have been allowed to run for presidency.

So in hindsight if these allegations are true, it is these women's fault that he became president for leaving it until 2016, altogether coincidentally, to make the allegations. He has also not been charged with anything.
 


Mellotron

I've asked for soup
Jul 2, 2008
31,841
Brighton
The live show that his comments were made on just sounded like daft banter in the video. A quick exchange of flippant comments that shouldn't be taken seriously.

He's made comments on how sexually attractive his daughter is many, many times. That was just a particularly strong one. If someone keeps making comments about something, it usually suggests there is something underlying.

If he is convicted of raping a 14 year old girl then he should be jailed for it.

Of course. The point is that there is a fairly clear pattern of behaviour that you appear to be willfully ignoring.

If he was perving in a young girls changing room he should have been exposed when it happened not 30 years later.

Agreed, but doesn't make it any less true, so not sure what your point is there really. So you're ok with paedophilia as long as it happened "a while ago". Gotcha.

I haven't got time to go through conspiracy theories least of all the hundreds that are aimed at Trump.

Sorry, I was unaware you were too busy to go on TWO webpages.

Regardless, now that I've given you a pretty huge deluge of actual, grounded evidence, I assume you'll now acknowledge there MIGHT be something to this idea that Donald Trump is a sexual predator, right?
 




Mellotron

I've asked for soup
Jul 2, 2008
31,841
Brighton
I haven't got time to go through all these.

Enough time to make over 12,000 posts of a Football Club's Message Board - TICK
Enough time to read about two pages worth of information and evidence - SORRY, NOPE.

I rest my case.
 




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