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    Attackers scooping the ball onto the arm of the defender in the box will, I think, become a deliberate tactic. I've lost count of the number of penalties being awarded now for totally inadvertent handballs. If the ball touches any part of the arm, or is deflected onto it, then 9 times out of 10 its being given now regardless of how far its travelled. Now that they've removed the "intent" aspect, its open season.

    If VAR is applied the way it is being used in this World Cup, the way Dunk and Duffy defend with their blocks, we are going to concede shedloads.
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      Remember that adrenaline rush when the Albion score? It's history, because instead of a glance at the ref or lino whilst celebrating, we're all going to be thinking VAR. Even if it's not used, the moment will be gone. Limbs no more.

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      Does the goalkeeper have to be actually on the line, or is 'behind the line' okay? I think that keepers will change their starting position to 50cm behind so that their forward momentum means that they are still legal as the kick is taken if the latter is correct.

      Penalty shoot outs are going to finish at midnight if the rules are followed as they were last night.

      Perhaps it's time for a new pitch marking, 1m in front of the line. The keeper must be on the goal line as the run up starts and must not cross the 1m line at any point during the taking of the penalty.
      The Jock women's keeper did that for the retake. So they have obviously practiced this, but she evidently forgot the coaching first time around.

      Not sure how forward momentum helps when saving a pen, however. The forward movement in the past was designed to increase the virtual shadow (imagine the penalty spot as a light source) by getting closer to the ball. This is also known as cheating, and VAR will finally put a stop to it. Goalkeepers would be better employed moving left or right (or not at all) in an attempt to legally stop the ball hitting the net. Forward momentum.....cah!
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      The Jock women's keeper did that for the retake. So they have obviously practiced this, but she evidently forgot the coaching first time around.

      Not sure how forward momentum helps when saving a pen, however. The forward movement in the past was designed to increase the virtual shadow (imagine the penalty spot as a light source) by getting closer to the ball. This is also known as cheating, and VAR will finally put a stop to it. Goalkeepers would be better employed moving left or right (or not at all) in an attempt to legally stop the ball hitting the net. Forward momentum.....cah!
      Harry, try diving to the left or right without going forwards if your creaking frame will allow it (). It cannot be done without also going forwards.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Harry Wilson's tackle View Post
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      The Jock women's keeper did that for the retake. So they have obviously practiced this, but she evidently forgot the coaching first time around.

      Not sure how forward momentum helps when saving a pen, however. The forward movement in the past was designed to increase the virtual shadow (imagine the penalty spot as a light source) by getting closer to the ball. This is also known as cheating, and VAR will finally put a stop to it. Goalkeepers would be better employed moving left or right (or not at all) in an attempt to legally stop the ball hitting the net. Forward momentum.....cah!
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      FWIW, I have no problem with any of the calls that surrounded that Argentine v Scotland penalty. (The timekeeping is another matter...)

      It was clearly a penalty in real time - shocking miss from the ref. The VAR righted a wrong.
      The Scottish keeper clearly DID move (both feet) forward before it was struck (not FAR, but that isn't the rule). VAR correct to order a retake.
      Both sets of players were encroaching the retake, so the decision is 'neutral'. VAR right not to order a second retake.

      Players need to, and will, get smarter.

      Keepers need to adjust what they do (I'm a keeper and can see it is going to be really difficult, but they'll learn).
      In terms of the encroachment, if we concede a penalty, it needs to be utterly drilled into our players NOT to step an inch into the box as it is taken. The other team WILL encroach, and any scored penalty will have to be retaken.
      The above post is simply my opinion. I am not bullying you, should it differ from your own.
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      Quote Originally Posted by drew View Post
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      You're not allowed to start behind the line.
      The Scottish keeper started behind the line for the retake....
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      Quote Originally Posted by hans kraay fan club View Post
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      FWIW, I have no problem with any of the calls that surrounded that Argentine v Scotland penalty. (The timekeeping is another matter...)

      It was clearly a penalty in real time - shocking miss from the ref. The VAR righted a wrong.
      The Scottish keeper clearly DID move (both feet) forward before it was struck (not FAR, but that isn't the rule). VAR correct to order a retake.
      Both sets of players were encroaching the retake, so the decision is 'neutral'. VAR right not to order a second retake.

      Players need to, and will, get smarter.

      Keepers need to adjust what they do (I'm a keeper and can see it is going to be really difficult, but they'll learn).
      In terms of the encroachment, if we concede a penalty, it needs to be utterly drilled into our players NOT to step an inch into the box as it is taken. The other team WILL encroach, and any scored penalty will have to be retaken.
      This.

      It isn't ****ing rocket science, is it?
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      Harry, try diving to the left or right without going forwards if your creaking frame will allow it (). It cannot be done without also going forwards.
      Me? If I threw myself onto a muddy pitch these days I'd be leaving on a stretcher or in a coffin.

      These bendy little buggers, though, can easily manage.

      One thing I'd like clarified however is this. Encroachment. If the defending players encroach and the attacker fails to score then the pen is retaken. If the attacking players encroach I don't ever recall the ref signaling for a free kick on the edge of the area to the defending team. Why not? I have a feeling that if the attacking team encroaches and the pen is scored then it is retaken. That doesn't seem right....
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