Perfect example. That was NOT a clear and obvious error by any stretch of the imagination.
Got something to say or just want fewer pesky ads? Join us... 😊
[Football] I don't like football any more.
- Thread starter Juan Albion
- Start date
Perfect example. That was NOT a clear and obvious error by any stretch of the imagination.
Exactly.
Close enough that it should never have been referred in the first place. The logical conclusion to goals like that getting referred is that every goal gets looked at and that would absolutely rip the joy out of the game.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
southstandandy
WEST STAND ANDY
- Jul 9, 2003
- 5,639
Copied from my other post on the changes coming next season due to VAR :
Having seen the Argentina womens VAR penalty re-take last night against Scotland (correct by the letter of the law) I've done a bit of digging regarding last year's Premier League penalties awarded.
Apparently of the 103 given in the Premier League last season, under the new VAR rules (keeper not having 1 foot on or above the line, or encroachment by an attacking player at the point of the kick being taken), 93 of them would have to have been re-taken! Only 10 were legitimate if the rules imposed this coming season were to be have been used last season!
I suspect we are going to see large numbers retaken this season due to either the keeper moving and/or player encroachment (which has rarely ever been punished before, and apparently is going to be looked at by VAR upon each penalty given).
It's going to be a whole new ball game next season methinks.
Having seen the Argentina womens VAR penalty re-take last night against Scotland (correct by the letter of the law) I've done a bit of digging regarding last year's Premier League penalties awarded.
Apparently of the 103 given in the Premier League last season, under the new VAR rules (keeper not having 1 foot on or above the line, or encroachment by an attacking player at the point of the kick being taken), 93 of them would have to have been re-taken! Only 10 were legitimate if the rules imposed this coming season were to be have been used last season!
I suspect we are going to see large numbers retaken this season due to either the keeper moving and/or player encroachment (which has rarely ever been punished before, and apparently is going to be looked at by VAR upon each penalty given).
It's going to be a whole new ball game next season methinks.
Easy 10
Brain dead MUG SHEEP
We're going to get a whole load of goals ruled out for minor, marginal infringements and someones pubes being offside.
We're going to get a shedload more penalties awarded for completely inadvertent handballs.
Now more than ever, the officials will dictate the final scoreline of the game.
Welcome to VAR, folks.
We're going to get a shedload more penalties awarded for completely inadvertent handballs.
Now more than ever, the officials will dictate the final scoreline of the game.
Welcome to VAR, folks.
portlock seagull
Why? Why us?
- Jul 28, 2003
- 17,071
Football. The sport that ate itself.
I knew that there was a bug getting in-----the ear about you.
Calm down, dear. This is always what happens when new rules bed in.
I was a bit surprised when the Scottish women had a penalty save recalled yesterday, but tell me if you haven't been moaning for 40 years about keepers coming off their line when a pen is taken? Progress, innit.
There is of course the possibility that, as with so many things as one grows older (going for a spin on the mountain bike, holiday travel, the provocative swish of a pleated skirt) you are simply getting a bit too old for all this malarkey
Teams that park the bus will have two or three times the amount of penalties given against them, that accidental bounce up on a defenders arm? Stonewall pen now.
Publius Ovidius
Well-known member
It’s really interesting for those of us who watch a lot of cricket on the box too.
I don’t know if anyone notices but every wicket is actually reviewed, even the obvious ones. The first thing they check for ( and if it is a bowled or caught, that is it) is that the bowler has not bowled a no ball. There has been players called back where a bowler has overstepped, or stepped outside the crease. Yes we are all used to Hawkeye in all sorts of sports and this is now the norm.
The really crazy one is in athletics, where the sensors in the blocks are calibrated to a thousandth of a second and remember Ussain bolt being disqualified in the world championships when he was seen to react a tiny fraction of a second before the gun....the “ go on the B of bang! “
I think all sport is being taken over by technology...also remember in the open golf some armchair sneak spotted someone touching the ball whilst setting up for a putt...which when played back was by a millionth of a millimetre and the ball moved microscopically. I can’t remember if he was disqualified but I know he was charged with signing for an incorrect score!
The thing was as people has said, they had to do stuff like stop wrestling in the box, correct penalties where the player actually touches the ball in a challenge, or fouls outside the box where they fall in the box...that sort of thing....trouble is now as with lots of things they have taken it to the extremes and again this is really for the armchair fans, not the fans in the stadiums!
I don’t know if anyone notices but every wicket is actually reviewed, even the obvious ones. The first thing they check for ( and if it is a bowled or caught, that is it) is that the bowler has not bowled a no ball. There has been players called back where a bowler has overstepped, or stepped outside the crease. Yes we are all used to Hawkeye in all sorts of sports and this is now the norm.
The really crazy one is in athletics, where the sensors in the blocks are calibrated to a thousandth of a second and remember Ussain bolt being disqualified in the world championships when he was seen to react a tiny fraction of a second before the gun....the “ go on the B of bang! “
I think all sport is being taken over by technology...also remember in the open golf some armchair sneak spotted someone touching the ball whilst setting up for a putt...which when played back was by a millionth of a millimetre and the ball moved microscopically. I can’t remember if he was disqualified but I know he was charged with signing for an incorrect score!
The thing was as people has said, they had to do stuff like stop wrestling in the box, correct penalties where the player actually touches the ball in a challenge, or fouls outside the box where they fall in the box...that sort of thing....trouble is now as with lots of things they have taken it to the extremes and again this is really for the armchair fans, not the fans in the stadiums!
Justice
Dangerous Idiot
In our case if the semi final was anything to go by the refs will ignore the playback option they have against the top six and keep with their original decision.
brightn'ove
cringe
All goals are reviewed for offside under VAR, that was under its original remit a few years ago.
Gritt23
New member
There is a lot of truth in this, and a lot of the problems are around the woolly rule making or enforcement we've seen and accepted in football.
How many times have we all complained about a non-penalty that "anywhere else on the pitch, THAT is a foul, and a free-kick." Or complaints about what is and isn't handball, with the "law" differing from one analysts to another about "ball to hand" or "intent" or "gaining an advantage". the changes to the offside law have left us all guessing at what is and isn't "interfering". The same with encroachment at penalties, and how much leeway a keeper is sometimes given to come off his/her line before the penalty is struck. Pre-VAR everyone could hide behind the view the ref had of an incident, and just ended up with the old Wenger "he didn't see it clearly" but now you do see it clearly, and we are left with the fact that the rule-makers have not actually done a very good job. Now we have a clear view, the laws aren't actually standing up very well to scrutiny.
Easy 10
Brain dead MUG SHEEP
Under the current rules, smart players will actively be looking to scoop the ball onto an arm. Instant appeal, more likely than not a pen awarded. Its happening time and time again in this womens World Cup. The precedent is well and truly set now. Inadvertent handballs will account for a LOT of goals.
Tis a joke, the handball rule was fine before, everything looks like a pen once you slow it down.
Well they will, unless VAR spots the shoe lace of an attacker in the box.
southstandandy
WEST STAND ANDY
- Jul 9, 2003
- 5,639
With cricket though, as the game is spread out over at least a whole day, reviews don't really delay the game that much. I accept VAR is coming in to football and we'll all eventually get used to it, but I think the days when the game finishes at 4.50pm (assuming a 3pm kick off) will be a thing of the past.
Also when a goal is scored how far back will VAR go in the build up to that goal to check for a possible foul or infringement in the build up, 10 seconds, 30 seconds, up to the point the ball last went dead?
Perkino
Well-known member
- Dec 11, 2009
- 5,986
I personally think that the ref should decide if he wants VAR to review something in a case where he is in doubt of what happened or he suspected a handball and wants clarification. This nonsense that someone with a camera can dictate to the ref is madness, the ref should have to request a 2nd opinion
Easy 10
Brain dead MUG SHEEP
No. The ref will then start using VAR as a crutch, instead of trusting his own judgement. In big, high-pressure games it would be human nature to check every big call - we'd end up with even MORE time-consuming delays.
The theory of VAR is sound. The referee never calls for a review. He just referees the game as he normally would, makes all the decisions as usual, but VAR only gets involved if (in the opinion of the VAR) the ref has made a "clear and obvious error". I don't have a problem with that per-sé.
Where its falling down is that its not being used to correct clear and obvious errors - its being used for almost every minor infringement if its led to a goal or a potential penalty. We're getting very marginal and debatable incidents being reviewed, in a quest for "perfection". This was not what it was supposed to have been brought in for, but it was absolutely inevitable and was predicted by many.
VAR has and will fundamentally change the game we know, and not for the better IMO.
And yet in the earlier Copa match, there were 2 VAR checks for Qatar 'handballs' (one blocking a cross with his arm above his head, and one where a defender launched himself Duffy-style in front of a shot) and NEITHER were given
Easy 10
Brain dead MUG SHEEP
And yet in the earlier Copa match, there were 2 VAR checks for Qatar 'handballs' (one blocking a cross with his arm above his head, and one where a defender launched himself Duffy-style in front of a shot) and NEITHER were given
I've not seen any of the Copa. But from what you say, it would seem the VAR interpretation of handball in the Copa is completely different to how its being interpreted in the womens World Cup.
I wonder which version of the rule they'll be using in the Premier League next season.