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    You’re a mug for starting such a thread!

    And you’re a nasty individual... with no empathy for those in need!

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      Benefits have always been difficult to apply for, but that is not the point.

      We recently applied for PIP for our autistic son. He had to have a face to face interview which, thankfully, my wife was also allowed to attend. It was conducted by an outside agency. When the report came back from them, the write up from the interview was a very biased interpretation of what was said eg my son said that he can make toast, therefore they took that as meaning that he can cook a meal for himself (he can't). He also said that he might be able to catch a bus to college - what he didn't say and they did not ask was whether he could do that on his own (he cannot - in fact he up to that point he never went out on his own, ever). Anyway, as a result he was not awarded anything.

      We appealed and had to get all sorts of reports from as many agencies as possible to back up what we were saying. The review is carried out by the DWP and not the outside agency. After the appeal, he was awarded full PIP! So they went from awarding nothing to awarding the full amount. Bonkers really, and he has to reapply in 3 years time which will be fun.

      So I am afraid the moral of the story is to persevere. But I agree with others, anyone with mental health issues doing this on their own would get nowhere.
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      Sigh ..perhaps letís not turn the thread into bashing one side ...letís balance it up with the crap that Gordon B introduced ..all politicians come up with these schemes to grab headlines with no way of knowing how they are implemented and how difficult it makes peopleís lives
      Why? It's absolutely disgusting. Poorly thought through from the start. And they want claimants to claim AFTER a full month - it's backdated. It's also paid monthly rather than weekly. Iain Duncan-Smith proudly proclaims on TV that claimants will learn how to budget through a month to make it last, he is that woefully out of touch - we have so many dreadful senior politicians on both sides of the house, but he really is one of the worst of the lot. How many penniless drug addicts has he met? You think they'll be lucid enough to plan over a month? Give me strength.

      My wife sees the damage this is causing in her job. So does anyone who works at a soup kitchen or food bank. Ask @Westdene Seagull what he thinks of UC. And this is all going under the radar while the Tories make a total mess of Brexit.

      The current crop of Tories have been undoubtedly the worst government in living memory, but this country gets the government it deserves, IMO. I've never been so embarrassed by our political classes as I am now.
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      Calderon is the type of guy that if your daughter married, you would worry that she was not good enough for him.
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      Benefits have always been difficult to apply for, but that is not the point.

      We recently applied for PIP for our autistic son. He had to have a face to face interview which, thankfully, my wife was also allowed to attend. It was conducted by an outside agency. When the report came back from them, the write up from the interview was a very biased interpretation of what was said eg my son said that he can make toast, therefore they took that as meaning that he can cook a meal for himself (he can't). He also said that he might be able to catch a bus to college - what he didn't say and they did not ask was whether he could do that on his own (he cannot - in fact he up to that point he never went out on his own, ever). Anyway, as a result he was not awarded anything.

      We appealed and had to get all sorts of reports from as many agencies as possible to back up what we were saying. The review is carried out by the DWP and not the outside agency. After the appeal, he was awarded full PIP! So they went from awarding nothing to awarding the full amount. Bonkers really, and he has to reapply in 3 years time which will be fun.

      So I am afraid the moral of the story is to persevere. But I agree with others, anyone with mental health issues doing this on their own would get nowhere.
      I know where you are coming from, I have attended 2 PIP assessments for the two grandchildren my wife and I look after, both were very different experiences.

      Fortunately as their appointee I was allowed to speak up in their assessments and point out when they were getting things wrong! It’s bloody hard work, and very draining...
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      disjointed sytem replaced by broken system, but all anyone will do is argue over the politics rather than the implementation. not sure why they bothered with "pilot" areas since they are rolling out regardless. should stop reanalyse and fix it first.
      True, the previous system needed an enormous overhaul, but this is an appalling mess. I'm not arguing over the politics particularly, but the way it has been implemented has only served to highlight how incompetent those in charge have been. As said before, being paid monthly and one month in arrears absolutely screams out of touch incompetence.

      You want people to talk about the implementation rather than the politics and that is purely because you are a conservative voter at heart. But let's be clear about this, when incompetent millionaires born into privilege implement these measures without a second's thought for the issues the claimants are clearly going to come across, what sane person isn't going to conclude that the top brass in the Tory party is crammed full of selfish, incompetent idiots?
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      She's lucky to have you.

      It's not just UC that is unnecessarily difficult (though I'm sure it is made deliberately hard). I've had cause recently to us a a few different 'digital identity' solutions in conjunction with accessing a number of local govt services and the experience has been - and I say this as a literate, intelligent, moderately patient, computer savvy desk-monkey - a kafkaesque head****.
      It's not just UC that is causing increasing difficulties to many sections of the community. In the past few years I have discovered many things that we can't do in this country now without photo ID.
      * You can't sell a car to a dealer, or trade it in.
      * You can't scrap a car (not through a scrap dealer anyway).
      * You can't close an investment/assurance account and transfer the balance to your own current account (even though they're in the same name) - to do this I eventually had to go to the bank with my daughter and son-in-law in person with their ID to verify that my proofs of residence (utility bills, etc.), and my birth certificate were real and actually applied to me.

      These non-Government organisations all expect to take photocopies of your photo ID too, so the potential for misuse or identity theft increases all the time -all, apparently in the name of preventing money laundering (tough how me selling a second hand car that I've owned for several years - insured, with docs. to prove it, and registered in my name and address at the DVLA - can be construed as a attempt by me to launder money I'm at a loss to understand.
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      True, the previous system needed an enormous overhaul, but this is an appalling mess. I'm not arguing over the politics particularly, but the way it has been implemented has only served to highlight how incompetent those in charge have been. As said before, being paid monthly and one month in arrears absolutely screams out of touch incompetence.

      You want people to talk about the implementation rather than the politics and that is purely because you are a conservative voter at heart. But let's be clear about this, when incompetent millionaires born into privilege implement these measures without a second's thought for the issues the claimants are clearly going to come across, what sane person isn't going to conclude that the top brass in the Tory party is crammed full of selfish, incompetent idiots?
      completely agree, they should have set out the policy for change and left it to competent people to analyse and implement properly. moving all benefits into a single payment, with graduated roll-on, roll-off, good idea. having payments monthly just like salaried people, noble but misguided (ignoring many paid weekly). paying so much in arrears downright stupid. not to mention the time to process claims, 4-6 weeks, is incompetence. if loan company can assess you in an hour, im sure benefits can be assess and calculated in a week, if not the system isnt going to work so dont do it untill you can. trouble is the politicans argue over the original policy, so entrench themselves in that, change becomes a sign of weakness screams of "u-turn" if they do etc.
      Daily Mail readers are living in a perpetual hell, expecting their homes to be overrun at any minute by hoodie wearing, skunk smoking, muslim, transgender, asylum seekers.
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      UC...in my mind will always bring the gruesome picture of IDS punching the air when it was voted through...as others have said ...such poorly thought out implementation
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      I don't think it was ill thought out, IDS and his cohorts knew exactly what they were doing and the probable consequences of their decisions. A friend of mine who, up until recently, trained new CAB advisors for the whole of the south-west of England told me what would happen well before its implementation. As for Chicken Run, all I can say is thank f**k I dont encounter this kind of "I'm alright Jack" attitude too many times.
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      Quote Originally Posted by KZNSeagull View Post
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      Benefits have always been difficult to apply for, but that is not the point.

      We recently applied for PIP for our autistic son. He had to have a face to face interview which, thankfully, my wife was also allowed to attend. It was conducted by an outside agency. When the report came back from them, the write up from the interview was a very biased interpretation of what was said eg my son said that he can make toast, therefore they took that as meaning that he can cook a meal for himself (he can't). He also said that he might be able to catch a bus to college - what he didn't say and they did not ask was whether he could do that on his own (he cannot - in fact he up to that point he never went out on his own, ever). Anyway, as a result he was not awarded anything.

      We appealed and had to get all sorts of reports from as many agencies as possible to back up what we were saying. The review is carried out by the DWP and not the outside agency. After the appeal, he was awarded full PIP! So they went from awarding nothing to awarding the full amount. Bonkers really, and he has to reapply in 3 years time which will be fun.

      So I am afraid the moral of the story is to persevere. But I agree with others, anyone with mental health issues doing this on their own would get nowhere.
      Ditto for my brother who is registered disabled with walking difficulties. He was rejected (without an interview) and then won on appeal (without an interview). Their approach just seems to be to say no in the first instance and only reconsider it on appeal.

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