[Politics] EU Elections Poll - The vote that we never thought we would get!

LadySeagull · May 25, 2019

No idea why you think I am paranoid, or care about the shape of vegetables. Both your snipes are wide of the mark.

Your post is yet another example of how remainers refuse to even begin to understand the views of a Eurosceptic and decide to try to belittle us.

The fact the EU has (predictably) tried to make it very, very difficult for us to leave, is not a reason to stay. To then backtrack would be disastrous, desperate and very stupid. I have no idea how remainers think that would lead to positives for the UK in the future.

beorhthelm · May 25, 2019

LadySeagull said:
No, the worst outcome would be asking not to leave after all.

If you think the EU made it difficult for the UK when we said we wanted to leave, what do you think will happen if we don't, now?

dont see how really, the laws, regs of EU carry on, they cant by definition of the EU single out a country. we'd be expected to be more compliant with future changes, only within the process applied to all others.

Surf's Up · May 25, 2019

The Clamp said:
Obviously we have totally opposing views on Brexit.
To me though it’s clear that Brexit would be disastrous for the U.K. and not just some short term disruption but generational adverse consequences.
There would be short term upset for some in the U.K. if Brexit is reversed but it would be the best thing to do in the long term.
However, I think we will crash out in October resulting in a Pyrrhic victory for leave voters.
You’ll get your departure but you’ll also see how bad it is for the country.

...and most of them will be dead by the time the real impact starts to hit home on their children and grandchildren.

LadySeagull · May 25, 2019

OK, so let's make all the elderlies (who clearly have no right to an opinion) feel guilty for ruining their grandchildren's futures now, shall we?

Oh wait, that was already done by a poster boasting about their family doing that to the Grandparents, on the Brexit thread.

Guess what, not all leave voters were old, or undereducated, or badly informed, or stupid, or misled by some campaign or other that you think tipped the balance.

Green Cross Code Man · May 25, 2019

Surf's Up said:
...and most of them will be dead by the time the real impact starts to hit home on their children and grandchildren.

New generations have always lived with the legacy of previous generations choices. No reason this case should be any different, talk about entitled.

GT49er · May 25, 2019

vegster said:
You really seem to be somewhat paranoid to say the least. So, you think by leaving we were going to get all kinds of crap from the EU, but if we were to stay we would get even more crap from the EU ? So maybe they will force us to drive on the right or sign up to even more Health and Safety protocols ? Obviously they would have to annexe us as an adjunct ? are you afraid that we might have to produce Cucumbers with a much reduced angle of curvature in order to remain part of the EU ?

You give the sort of petty examples much beloved of remainers trying to mock. Couldn't give a sh*t on the shape of a cucumber, and unless you're a serious weirdo neither do you.

So try this: 'OK, you can cancel Article 50 and stay in if you agree to join the Euro'.

vegster · May 25, 2019

LadySeagull said:
No idea why you think I am paranoid, or care about the shape of vegetables. Both your snipes are wide of the mark.

Your post is yet another example of how remainers refuse to even begin to understand the views of a Eurosceptic and decide to try to belittle us.

The fact the EU has (predictably) tried to make it very, very difficult for us to leave, is not a reason to stay. To then backtrack would be disastrous, desperate and very stupid. I have no idea how remainers think that would lead to positives for the UK in the future.

I think you will find that the EU have not made it difficult to leave, only difficult to leave and maintain the benefits of being part of the EU. When we were in we wanted to opt out of most or the EU, now we want out, we want to remain in most of the good bits of it.

Sadly there IS some kind of weird paranoia affecting some people that blames all our social and economic ills on Europe. Strangely, Cameron, Osborne and May and their decade of austerity never seem to get the blame.

GT49er · May 25, 2019

LadySeagull said:
Guess what, not all leave voters were old, or undereducated, or badly informed, or stupid, or misled by some campaign or other that you think tipped the balance.

Yes, but some remainers are not intelligent enough to understand this. Some are, but choose to pretend not to. Which is also pretty pathetic.

vegster · May 25, 2019

GT49er said:
You give the sort of petty examples much beloved of remainers trying to mock. Couldn't give a sh*t on the shape of a cucumber, and unless you're a serious weirdo neither do you.

So try this: 'OK, you can cancel Article 50 and stay in if you agree to join the Euro'.

Who said we have to join the Euro? please please tell me how your life and hopes have been destroyed by the EU. Off to bed now so no rush.

Weststander · May 25, 2019

vegster said:
Who said we have to join the Euro? please please tell me how your life and hopes have been destroyed by the EU. Off to bed now so no rush.

So lucky we didn’t, everyone seems in agreement on that. Bankrolling the 2008 fiscal collapses in Greece, Ireland, Portugal, Spain etc.

Sweden and Denmark got lucky with that as well.

GT49er · May 25, 2019

vegster said:
Who said we have to join the Euro? please please tell me how your life and hopes have been destroyed by the EU. Off to bed now so no rush.

Oh, FFS! OK then, have it your way: they're going to make us only have straight cucumbers. Whatever. Should have been in bed long ago, judging by that reply.

'Ask a teenager, while they still know everything' is actually a joke. These days, you could really substitute 'remainer' for 'teenager'. Go on, tell me exactly what I was thinking* when I voted to leave - you know you can because remainers know what other people think, or at least perpetually claim to.

*Just a tip: the answer isn't, 'I wasn't thinking'. So, sorry to thwart at least one potential smart-arse (but schoolboyish) response.

hans kraay fan club · May 25, 2019

GT49er said:
So try this: 'OK, you can cancel Article 50 and stay in if you agree to join the Euro'.

How about we don’t ‘try this’ given that it is an idiotic scenario, suggested out of total ignorance.

The UK can withdraw Article 50 entirely unilaterally. The EU have no say in that decision - they cannot attach any such condition to our continued membership- and nor would they wish to. They would dearly love that we forget the entire ridiculous act of self harm, and are not about to put obstacles in the way of any chance of redemption.

GT49er · May 25, 2019

Weststander said:
So lucky we didn’t, everyone seems in agreement on that. Bankrolling the 2008 fiscal collapses in Greece, Ireland, Portugal, Spain etc.

Sweden and Denmark got lucky with that as well.

Yes, we were lucky to get away with it. Does anyone think we'd be allowed to get away with it again, if we'd voted remain?

Well, to answer my own question, some D**w**ts (including quite a few on NSC) would, but :facepalm:

GT49er · May 25, 2019

hans kraay fan club said:
How about we don’t ‘try this’ given that it is an idiotic scenario, suggested out of total ignorance.

The UK can withdraw Article 50 entirely unilaterally. The EU have no say in that decision - they cannot attach any such condition to our continued membership - and nor would they wish to. They would dearly love that we forget the entire ridiculous act of self harm, and are not about to put obstacles in the way of any chance of redemption.

I know you and I fundamentally disagree on the "benefits" of staying in the EU - but "nor would they wish to" .............................. oh, wouldn't they just!

Weststander · May 25, 2019

GT49er said:
Yes, we were lucky to get away with it. Does anyone think we'd be allowed to get away with it again, if we'd voted remain?

Well, to answer my own question, some D**w**ts (including quite a few on NSC) would, but

I think the UK will always keep the pound.

We could’ve replaced it for the Euro once Brown’s (who was in favour) economic tests were met, but thank **** they weren’t in time for the collapse of those economies. That lesson in history will never be forgotten.

The Clamp · May 25, 2019

LadySeagull said:
OK, so let's make all the elderlies (who clearly have no right to an opinion) feel guilty for ruining their grandchildren's futures now, shall we?

Oh wait, that was already done by a poster boasting about their family doing that to the Grandparents, on the Brexit thread.

Guess what, not all leave voters were old, or undereducated, or badly informed, or stupid, or misled by some campaign or other that you think tipped the balance.

I don't blame the oldies, in fact most of my older family members and friends are Remain. But they are well educated, forward thinking folk who have seen all the politicians lies before and didn't fall for the rhetoric from the likes of Farage. The only ones I know who voted leave are a couple who never really made a go at life and misguidedly blame their shortcomings on the EU and foreigners.

So it's not just older generations who voted leave that have ruined future generation's futures. Some daft younger people did too. They just happened to wreck their own lives at the same time. What larks!

LadySeagull · May 25, 2019

hans kraay fan club said:
The UK can withdraw Article 50 entirely unilaterally. The EU have no say in that decision - they cannot attach any such condition to our continued membership- and nor would they wish to. They would dearly love that we forget the entire ridiculous act of self harm, and are not about to put obstacles in the way of any chance of redemption.

Obviously.

We agree on that, at least.

It's not about the EU putting obstacles in the way, or me being 'paranoid' about what they might do, which is just a typical knee-jerk remainer interpretation and completely wrong. What would be disastrous in my view would be to revoke Article 50, essentially ceding that the UK can then never leave what has for many years, been a dead duck.

And when that becomes more apparent as time goes on, how exactly would you then propose we leave? You don't, ever think we should leave the EU?

The Clamp · May 25, 2019

GT49er said:
Yes, we were lucky to get away with it. Does anyone think we'd be allowed to get away with it again, if we'd voted remain?

Well, to answer my own question, some D**w**ts (including quite a few on NSC) would, but

Yes. We will never be forced to join the Euro.

Sussex Nomad · May 25, 2019

LadySeagull said:
Obviously.

We agree on that, at least.

It's not about the EU putting obstacles in the way, or me being 'paranoid' about what they might do, which is just a typical knee-jerk remainer interpretation and completely wrong. What would be disastrous in my view would be to revoke Article 50, essentially ceding that the UK can then never leave what has for many years, been a dead duck.

And when that becomes more apparent as time goes on, how exactly would you then propose we leave? You don't, ever think we should leave the EU?

Sadly some people seeing this as 'self harm' are the people that cannot follow democracy through to its bitter end. They are, as with the politicians that don't cede to the wishes of the majority of the population, dinosaurs that live on a different planet. Democracy in the UK has well and truly died.

The Clamp · May 25, 2019

I would be genuinely interested in what benefits, practical and conceptual, that leave voters believe Brexit will bring to the UK. However, the reason these threads just go round in a circle is because Leave voters have never, not once, ever been able to cite a single benefit of us leaving the EU. Not one that stands up to even the mildest scrutiny. And I guarantee none of them will ever give one. That's why these threads are largely binfests. And because I sometimes call someone a prick.

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