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    Apologies for yet another thread on CH sacking, but I think this is a brilliant article on Football 365 and is what most sensible Brighton fans are trying to articulate why we feel a change was needed.

    I won't post the full thing here as it will detract from clicks on the site

    Collectively, this seems to represent a shift in mood. Previously, the broadcasting revenue was treated as a reward for continuity. Now, in conjunction with their native resources, the bulk of the clubs who comprise this middle-class see the opportunity that exists within that wealth, treating seasons as waypoints rather than final destinations. In the abstract, itís footballís equivalent of a research and development culture, in which the folly of exorbitant spending is being de-emphasised in favour of smarter decisions and the pursuit of marginal gains.

    The money continues to pour into the market place, the Premier League has hardly become frugal, but itís not being pumped out into the ether. Owners will write the same cheques, yes, but with changing expectations of what their clubs can be and a demand for something other than safety. They want the feeling of progress. If that canít be reflected in the league table, then they want to know that their club is running optimally and with the maximum chance of success. Itís an example which has been set and which, now, the great majority want to follow.

    In that light, the situation at Brighton makes much more sense. For the purposes of Chris Hughtonís own reputation, gaining promotion and then surviving relegation twice remains a fine achievement. For Tony Bloom and Dan Ashworth, however, the failure to become incrementally more competitive would really have been a regression and the inefficiencies at its heart intolerable.

    https://www.football365.com/news/f36...premier-league

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      Excellent analysis.
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      Without having read the full article, I think I disagree with the jist of it if I've understood it correctly.

      Whilst I was personally very much against the sacking of CH, I've spent the last few days trying to explain the complexities of the situation to casual observers who've looked at our survival and can't understand why we got rid - the whole "do you think you should be challenging for Europe?" comments. I don't think for the majority of people it was about progressing or improving, but apprehending what looked like a slide towards possible relegation. People felt like didn't look like we'd finish 17th again next year.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Postman Pat View Post
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      Apologies for yet another thread on CH sacking, but I think this is a brilliant article on Football 365 and is what most sensible Brighton fans are trying to articulate why we feel a change was needed.

      I won't post the full thing here as it will detract from clicks on the site

      Collectively, this seems to represent a shift in mood. Previously, the broadcasting revenue was treated as a reward for continuity. Now, in conjunction with their native resources, the bulk of the clubs who comprise this middle-class see the opportunity that exists within that wealth, treating seasons as waypoints rather than final destinations. In the abstract, it’s football’s equivalent of a research and development culture, in which the folly of exorbitant spending is being de-emphasised in favour of smarter decisions and the pursuit of marginal gains.

      The money continues to pour into the market place, the Premier League has hardly become frugal, but it’s not being pumped out into the ether. Owners will write the same cheques, yes, but with changing expectations of what their clubs can be and a demand for something other than safety. They want the feeling of progress. If that can’t be reflected in the league table, then they want to know that their club is running optimally and with the maximum chance of success. It’s an example which has been set and which, now, the great majority want to follow.

      In that light, the situation at Brighton makes much more sense. For the purposes of Chris Hughton’s own reputation, gaining promotion and then surviving relegation twice remains a fine achievement. For Tony Bloom and Dan Ashworth, however, the failure to become incrementally more competitive would really have been a regression and the inefficiencies at its heart intolerable.

      https://www.football365.com/news/f36...premier-league
      Good piece, not much to argue with.
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      Without having read the full article, I think I disagree with the jist of it if I've understood it correctly.

      Whilst I was personally very much against the sacking of CH, I've spent the last few days trying to explain the complexities of the situation to casual observers who've looked at our survival and can't understand why we got rid - the whole "do you think you should be challenging for Europe?" comments. I don't think for the majority of people it was about progressing or improving, but apprehending what looked like a slide towards possible relegation. People felt like didn't look like we'd finish 17th again next year.
      The point of it is, if you don't improve incrementally you will go down and I agree with that 100%.
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      Great article. Very astute and interesting observations about the wider implications of Hughton's dismissal.
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      Great article...

      Other than the opening statement of "given what Hughton had achieved in his three years at the club".

      If you're going to do a piece of in-depth journalism, how hard is it to find out how long a manager as been at a football club?

      So just the 18months short of his true employment duration, I'm sure the rest of the article must be credible...
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      The point of it is, if you don't improve incrementally you will go down and I agree with that 100%.
      I agree with what you've said, but didn't read that from the article. I took it to mean incrementally more competitive within the confines of the division.
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      Highlights the need for the next man to work closely with Ashworth and be on the same page. Maybe Phil Neville is not such a bad shout after bearing in mind their relationship at the FA
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      Quote Originally Posted by ATFC Seagull View Post
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      Without having read the full article, I think I disagree with the jist of it if I've understood it correctly.

      Whilst I was personally very much against the sacking of CH, I've spent the last few days trying to explain the complexities of the situation to casual observers who've looked at our survival and can't understand why we got rid - the whole "do you think you should be challenging for Europe?" comments. I don't think for the majority of people it was about progressing or improving, but apprehending what looked like a slide towards possible relegation. People felt like didn't look like we'd finish 17th again next year.
      The premise of the argument in the article is really that 'progress' no longer means climbing the table. No one is standing still so if you don't progress yourselves you will just slide backwards and eventually out of the league... We were right on the edge of that precipice and not progressing so TB did the only thing he could and look to change.

      I get the idea expressed and do agree given how well presented it is. Until Cardiff I had assumed Chris' brief was "survive" and despite the dreadful performances and dodgy position, I remained confident we would survive. But Cardiff was the turning point for me. That's when it clicked. We are on an inclined treadmill... Staying still isn't an option and we were staying still. We had to change, evolve, improve... The reward would be "survive" not Europe or, indeed, top half, just staying in the division next season.
      We had switched from 4411 to 433 and it wasn't working (this is down to the players IMO) but instead of working with what he had and trying something new to make 433 work, he just resorted to 4411. Pragmatic and necessary for survival this time but not progress.
      If the only thing you can do is what you have always done but everyone else innovates, you become extinct.

      For TB extinction is not an option... Time to evolve. We should be using players in their preferred positions, we should be bringing talent up from the academy and fundamentally, we cannot win games with 10 men behind the ball and the lone attacker is not a super quick striker with a rocket shot and a lightning trigger to use it. Glenn is not that man for all the goals he taps, heads, bundles and c*CK blocks into the goal.

      The academy is there to find talent and generate money. Those players we don't want to keep, we have to sell, but if we don't put them in the shop window every once in while, no one wants to buy.

      TLDR; Chris is a dinosaur. A gentleman and a scholar and the nicest man in football. But he cannot innovate the way we have to. However good it is at this moment, same old same old is not enough next month never mind next season.

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