Is the correct answer!
Got something to say or just want fewer pesky ads? Join us... 😊
[Albion] Does anyone else think we have good players?
- Thread starter Ⓩ-Ⓐ-Ⓜ-Ⓞ-Ⓡ-Ⓐ
- Start date
Is the correct answer!
This.
Perhaps at PL level, Jahanbakhsh and Locadia haven’t got the pace to beat PL quality defenders? It looks that way in the game time we’ve witnessed.
Last edited:
I totally agree. Just need to make sure we have defensive cover in midfield.
Icy Gull
Back on the rollercoaster
- Jul 5, 2003
- 72,015
Yes, I’ll go on record as suggesting that AJ, Locadia and Andone will be like classy new buys if we get a manager with an attacking bone in his body at this level. Of course we need new players and other options but we also need a manager with a plan B who will change things around depending on the opposition and how the game is going.
It is undoubtably tough at this level and we may be on the end of some thumpings now and again but let’s give it a go now and again.
It is undoubtably tough at this level and we may be on the end of some thumpings now and again but let’s give it a go now and again.
Worried Man Blues
Well-known member
I don't know but with a more attack minded coach we will find out................. then make the necessary adjustments!
I'll be interested to know if they had the pace in Holland.
Posters calling them out as not being wingers, instantly has me reading (rightly or probably wrongly) 'not being Will Buckley'.
Its hard for me to imagine the Eridivise being so slow that players there were routinely outpaced by Big Jurg and Ali.
As said before, its no great surprise it took me a full season to notice, what with the situation seemingly completely opposite
.But its occurred to me the club recruited a very poor mans Liverpool with 3 front players, but the manager steadfastly played a variation of 4-5-1.
Irrespective, surviving this season and starting a fresh in August pretty much wipes out all the mitigating circumstances I was clinging onto and we'll soon find out if they're all shitehouse or not.
I'll be interested to know if they had the pace in Holland.
Posters calling them out as not being wingers, instantly has me reading (rightly or probably wrongly) 'not being Will Buckley'.
Its hard for me to imagine the Eridivise being so slow that players there were routinely outpaced by Big Jurg and Ali.
As said before, its no great surprise it took me a full season to notice, what with the situation seemingly completely opposite
But its occurred to me the club recruited a very poor mans Liverpool with 3 front players, but the manager steadfastly played a variation of 4-5-1.
Irrespective, surviving this season and starting a fresh in August pretty much wipes out all the mitigating circumstances I was clinging onto and we'll soon find out if they're all shitehouse or not.
My understanding is that Aredivisie football is not played at the pace of PL football, plus it’s fair to say that most FB’s there would be of a lower standard. Anyone of quality being snapped up by the major leagues.
I haven’t given up on Jahanbakhsh. He needs to add power and stamina to his game. He’s young, it’s achievable.
B-right-on
Living the dream
Ⓩ-Ⓐ-Ⓜ-Ⓞ-Ⓡ-Ⓐ;8911636 said:
This. Look what Hassler has done at Stains. Revived a seriously dour club into one that plays decent football.
Tyrone Biggums
Well-known member
Propper comes to mind when I think of players who could be used differently and have more impact in an attacking side.
B-right-on
Living the dream
Agree. Our set up v Chelsea /Arsenal / Spuds should be different to Stains, Bmuff, Newcastle etc...
While that is true re: Dutch league, it cannot be so far off the pace that the leading scorer of 17/18 season cannot muster an assist or goal in the Premiership surely. I hope and think we will see a big improvement under the new manager
Ecosse Exile
New member
Yes, we have much better players than we have been seeing lately.
We changed systems to 433 half way through the season and looked good, seriously good, we were looking the better team in most games but the results werent coming, in my opinion they would have given time, but Hughton bottled it after seeing us caught on the counter against Burnley.
We then reverted to another system 451, it didn't work, pure and simple, the belief drained from some of our players and resulted in the performances we saw in the 1st half v Huddersfield and Newcastle and most of the games versus Southampton, Bournemouth and Cardiff. I mention those games because they were all at home and all were winnable.
The point im making is that we do have some good players, when they are allowed to play as an attacking team, we tried it midway through the season, the timing was wrong, it should have been tried in pre-season, but it was working.
We changed systems to 433 half way through the season and looked good, seriously good, we were looking the better team in most games but the results werent coming, in my opinion they would have given time, but Hughton bottled it after seeing us caught on the counter against Burnley.
We then reverted to another system 451, it didn't work, pure and simple, the belief drained from some of our players and resulted in the performances we saw in the 1st half v Huddersfield and Newcastle and most of the games versus Southampton, Bournemouth and Cardiff. I mention those games because they were all at home and all were winnable.
The point im making is that we do have some good players, when they are allowed to play as an attacking team, we tried it midway through the season, the timing was wrong, it should have been tried in pre-season, but it was working.
Betfair Bozo
Well-known member
- Jul 24, 2007
- 2,096
I'll be interested to know if they had the pace in Holland.
Posters calling them out as not being wingers, instantly has me reading (rightly or probably wrongly) 'not being Will Buckley'.
Its hard for me to imagine the Eridivise being so slow that players there were routinely outpaced by Big Jurg and Ali.
As said before, its no great surprise it took me a full season to notice, what with the situation seemingly completely opposite
But its occurred to me the club recruited a very poor mans Liverpool with 3 front players, but the manager steadfastly played a variation of 4-5-1.
Irrespective, surviving this season and starting a fresh in August pretty much wipes out all the mitigating circumstances I was clinging onto and we'll soon find out if they're all shitehouse or not.
Is it even about pace or just how teams set up in Holland as opposed to here (and, in particular, us in the Premier League.) The average goals per game last season in the Prem was a record high but still "only" 2.8 whereas the Eredivisie consistently averages around 3.5. Any stats on attacking players in Holland need to be viewed in that context. (Sure, you wouldn't expect someone to go from top scorer in the league to 0 goals or assists in another but even so...)
Your point about our system is obviously correct. We have been 4-5-1 or 4-4-1-1 depending whether PG plays as the 10. "4-3-3 in possession" is a daft phrase. Given our xG performance (and TB's analytic approach to footbalI betting) I would expect a pretty fundamental change in philosophy which might suit one or two of the under-achievers next season but with a defensive cost. We shall see.
Dr Bandler
Well-known member
In order to answer the thread question, I would like to consider a comparison. I wonder how our players compare in quality to Cardiff City's for example. Are we better or worse? If we had swapped managers at the start of the season - Chris Hughton for Neil Warnock - but had the same squads, what would the result have been?
Betfair Bozo
Well-known member
- Jul 24, 2007
- 2,096
Our squad is significantly stronger than Cardiff's. Rather than use that as a reason to criticise CH I would say that Warnock got the best out of a very thin squad. I also think there is something to be said for being able to over-achieve in the first season in the Premier League with a settled squad (see Hudds in 2017/2018 and us to some extent) which becomes harder in the second season (same two examples for 2018/2019.)
Sussex Nomad
Well-known member
Probably a bit of both, enticing in a good manager/coach with cash to spend, whilst also checking the squad he already has on offer.
Ninja Elephant
Doctor Elephant
- Feb 16, 2009
- 18,855
We have a very good squad, with very good players. We didn't see it from any of them this season. The only players who can be happy with their contributions this season are Shane Duffy, Lewis Dunk, Solly March and Bernardo. Others have been ok at times but how many players were below the standard this season that they set last season? Gross and Ryan jump straight to mind. Knockaert was equally disappointing, Propper was about the same. Murray scored the goals which kept us up but he's barely mobile any more and is offside even more often.
I believe in the squad, but had lost belief that our manager trusted them. I also find it hard to believe that our manager believed in the squad as much as I did.
I believe in the squad, but had lost belief that our manager trusted them. I also find it hard to believe that our manager believed in the squad as much as I did.
Southern Scouse
Well-known member
- Jul 21, 2011
- 2,024
Do we have good players? Depends at which level! Our league position puts us the bottom four (Obviously) and the top six of the championship.Since January I can name only two players I think could go on to be regular premier league quality in the future and those are Bissouma, Dunk and Bernardo. The rest have been and will be again next season average at best. It may well be a change of mentality under a new dynamic manager may change that but who knows?
Withdean11
Well-known member
Knockaert gets very harshly treated on here. He has more goals and assists than March, in less appearances. Sure, he hasn't been as good as we know he can be, but he has still been our most effective winger this season.
Damming with faint praise.