[Albion] Sacking Hughton and racial implications

Kneon Light · May 15, 2019

Guinness Boy said:
And yet Hughton is being touted for an immediate return to Moore’s old club. If he does the percentage increased by goes up massively. The issue is the low starting base, not the movement within it

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Agree. But even if he does get the WBA job do you not think the fact BAME managers would have fallen from 4 to 3 (and only 1 in the top division) is a blow to representation?
(Naylor's tweet which I was originally talking about was simply pointing this out and I think his tweet is very different to the other 2)

Guinness Boy · May 15, 2019

Kneon Light said:
Agree. But even if he does get the WBA job do you not think the fact BAME managers would have fallen from 4 to 3 (and only 1 in the top division) is a blow to representation?
(Naylor's tweet which I was originally talking about was simply pointing this out and I think his tweet is very different to the other 2)

I think race had nothing to do with Hughton or Moore getting sacked. I think that focussing on race every time a BAME manager gets sacked misses the point and puts off other BAME potential coaches from doing their badges. It’s a blow to representation if that’s what you want to focus on but I’d rather be putting the efforts in to having people like CH and Rosenior encourage good young BAME players with their heads screwed on to get their badges and start knocking on doors.

Until the pool of potential recruits increases it’s easy for lazy chairmen to stick to the same old names.

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Kneon Light · May 15, 2019

Guinness Boy said:
I think race had nothing to do with Hughton or Moore getting sacked. I think that focussing on race every time a BAME manager gets sacked misses the point and puts off other BAME potential coaches from doing their badges. It’s a blow to representation if that’s what you want to focus on but I’d rather be putting the efforts in to having people like CH and Rosenior encourage good young BAME players with their heads screwed on to get their badges and start knocking on doors.

Until the pool of potential recruits increases it’s easy for lazy chairmen to stick to the same old names.

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Which is what Andy Naylor said. My point was I agreed with his tweet not the other two which were simply offensive.

Weststander · May 15, 2019

Andros Townsend’s dad talked inflammatory utter garbage, leading to an apology by Kick It Out.

Bob'n'weave · May 15, 2019

Kneon Light said:
When you start the season with 4 BAME managers and by the end of the season it s down to 2 of course that is a blow to BAME representation.
Losing 50% of Premier League BAME managers is also a blow to BAME representation.

That's not to say the managers should not have been sacked (they were clearly both sacked for football reasons) but clearly the percentage of BAME managers going down is a blow.

No it's not. No BAME manager has been 'lost'. CH is "STILL A FOOTBALL MANAGER!", or did we take away all his qualifications and send him a desert island?

Kneon Light · May 15, 2019

Bob'n'weave said:
No it's not. No BAME manager has been 'lost'. CH is "STILL A FOOTBALL MANAGER!", or did we take away all his qualifications and send him a desert island?

He is not (currently) employed as a football manager. Therefore BAME representation in management in England has been reduced.
BAME representation in the Premier League has also been reduced.
If you can't see that having less BAME managers managing is a blow to BAME representation than quite frankly you need help.

seagullwedgee · May 15, 2019

Apologies if this has already been covered, not had time to read all the thousands of posts since CH departure. TB to take legal action for defamation against the KIO campaign..... blimey.

Bob'n'weave · May 16, 2019

Kneon Light said:
He is not (currently) employed as a football manager. Therefore BAME representation in management in England has been reduced.
BAME representation in the Premier League has also been reduced.
If you can't see that having less BAME managers managing is a blow to BAME representation than quite frankly you need help.

I think you need help if you can't understand that CH is being treated exactly the same as any other football manager, of any other colour. To suggest that there is a problem with the sacking of CH in respect to race (BAME) is bollocks. Which is why KIO have unreservedly apologised for suggesting it was. Movement in and out of football clubs is part of being a football manager, drop the race agenda pal.

Sheebo · May 16, 2019

Weststander said:
Andros Townsend’s dad talked inflammatory utter garbage, leading to an apology by Kick It Out.

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New there’d be some sort of scum link to this bizarre story. Tinpot twats. Look at your own club doctor situation and goalkeeper before you go throwing mud.

Sheebo · May 16, 2019

seagullwedgee said:
Apologies if this has already been covered, not had time to read all the thousands of posts since CH departure. TB to take legal action for defamation against the KIO campaign..... blimey.

Not heard that - is that fact?

Papa Lazarou · May 16, 2019

seagullwedgee said:
Apologies if this has already been covered, not had time to read all the thousands of posts since CH departure. TB to take legal action for defamation against the KIO campaign..... blimey.

Is he? I didn't see that. got a link to that story?

vegster · May 16, 2019

Papa Lazarou said:
Is he? I didn't see that. got a link to that story?

I think it has been sorted out fairly amicably now, sounds like a loose cannon was spouting off.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48286337

nicko31 · May 16, 2019

sheebo said:
New there’d be some sort of scum link to this bizarre story. Tinpot twats. Look at your own club doctor situation and goalkeeper before you go throwing mud.

Wow, didn't realise Troy was related to Andros. Its all making sense now. So glad the club acted, just so unfair and beyond ridiculous...

Mackenzie · May 16, 2019

Kneon Light said:
He is not (currently) employed as a football manager. Therefore BAME representation in management in England has been reduced.
BAME representation in the Premier League has also been reduced.
If you can't see that having less BAME managers managing is a blow to BAME representation than quite frankly you need help.

He'll be a manager again, very soon I expect, unless club chairmen have been put off by the fallout that we are receiving.

KIO have scored a huge own goal for a very worthy campaign.

:nono:

Kneon Light · May 16, 2019

Bob'n'weave said:
I think you need help if you can't understand that CH is being treated exactly the same as any other football manager, of any other colour. To suggest that there is a problem with the sacking of CH in respect to race (BAME) is bollocks. Which is why KIO have unreservedly apologised for suggesting it was. Movement in and out of football clubs is part of being a football manager, drop the race agenda pal.

Think you need to go back and read what I have said in my posts.
I fully agreed from my first post on this topic that the sacking of CH had nothing to do with race. I have NEVER suggested it was
However it is undoubtedly a blow to BAME representation. This is what Naylor tweeted (see original post)
My point was that Naylor's tweet was factually accurate and should not have been lumped in with the other two tweets which were disgraceful.

Kneon Light · May 16, 2019

Mackenzie said:
He'll be a manager again, very soon I expect, unless club chairmen have been put off by the fallout that we are receiving.

KIO have scored a huge own goal for a very worthy campaign.

Fully agree and I have never defended KIO's tweets or their actions over this.
However I still believe that the fact their are now less BAME managers in the Premier League (and in lower leagues) is a real blow to BAME representation.

Bob'n'weave · May 17, 2019

Kneon Light said:
Fully agree and I have never defended KIO's tweets or their actions over this.
However I still believe that the fact their are now less BAME managers in the Premier League (and in lower leagues) is a real blow to BAME representation.

Sooooo, you'll be happy when he takes over at WBA and 25% of BAME representation is restored? Will they be able to employ him though? Now he's not a football manager.

Kneon Light · May 17, 2019

Bob'n'weave said:
Sooooo, you'll be happy when he takes over at WBA and 25% of BAME representation is restored? Will they be able to employ him though? Now he's not a football manager.

What the hell are you on about??
Are you going to count Paul Ince and John Barnes and claim they should be counted in BAME representation because they have managed in the past? Of course when looking at BAME representation in the league you only look at those employed.
And to answer your question - yes I will be happy if he takes over at West Brom. Would be happier if far more clubs appointed BAME managers.

Nottseagull · May 17, 2019

Kneon Light said:
But even if he does get the WBA job do you not think the fact BAME managers would have fallen from 4 to 3 (and only 1 in the top division) is a blow to representation?

Well Nuno's hardly lighter than Chris so gets included in this list. It's from a while back though, so might not be up-to-date.

seagullwedgee · May 17, 2019

Papa Lazarou said:
Is he? I didn't see that. got a link to that story?

I heard he was incandescent with rage about the racial accusations, and he’s a bloke who normally would not display such strength of feeling, emotion and anger outwardly. I’m honestly not sure if the back pedalling by the complete muppets at KIO has done enough to stop this in its tracks.

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