Bold Seagull
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Yeah, which was my point really. Doesn't mean I have to like it, just accept it.
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[Albion] Sacking Hughton and racial implications
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Yeah, which was my point really. Doesn't mean I have to like it, just accept it.
Darren Lewis is no fool. Puts it out there as clickbait, to enhance his media prominence.
Ridiculous stirring about the club possibly at the forefront in tackling prejudices, by deeds
mike79
Active member
We had the similar reaction at Norwich though probably not as bad as this
Because he kept you up, outsiders will only see success
Because he kept you up, outsiders will only see success
Tooting Gull
Well-known member
- Jul 5, 2003
- 11,033
He did. If he does that about Hughton having slagged off his tactics for months, the bloke is 100 per cent a total tool.
- Apr 5, 2014
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I think it's important to take a step back and breath in.
Some folk have issued an emotional reaction and got their sums wrong. But not many. The most far reaching media is not a gospel of truth.
This is far from a majority view.
The point that it could be a step back for BAME management has some validity. But this is different, in any sensible mind, to the reasoning behind the move.
Some folk have issued an emotional reaction and got their sums wrong. But not many. The most far reaching media is not a gospel of truth.
This is far from a majority view.
The point that it could be a step back for BAME management has some validity. But this is different, in any sensible mind, to the reasoning behind the move.
portlock seagull
Why? Why us?
- Jul 28, 2003
- 17,071
But he is. In fact he’s a prize one for believing this has anything to do with colour. Would love to see him sued for deformation
Sussex Nomad
Well-known member
Why can't all these tree hugging yoghurt knitting professional complainers just f**k off. They have become a disease in our society.
Deadly Danson
Well-known member
On SSN earlier, it was just about the first thing John Barnes said too when asked about his reaction to the sacking - that this was an example why BAME managers don't succeed in the game. It's completely and utterly ludicrous and frankly an insult to the club and Tony Bloom and to anyone who has worked to try to eradicate racism from the world of football. It's such a serious issue but it won't be tackled properly if these frankly dumb-ass arguments come out every time a BAME manager is sacked.
GT49er
Well-known member
There is no racism involved here, and screaming 'racism' where it doesn't exist does no good whatsoever to the BAME cause, it just pi$$es everyone else off.
Perhaps their energies would be better spent ensuring that whenever The Dambusters is shown on a Sunday afternoon, the name of Guy Gibson's dog is bleeped out. Pillocks.
Perhaps their energies would be better spent ensuring that whenever The Dambusters is shown on a Sunday afternoon, the name of Guy Gibson's dog is bleeped out. Pillocks.
Lets be clear here - No one is saying that this is a racially motivated sacking - it is definitely NOT
In the footballing Industry, when managers get sacked they are paid over the limits of what any of them would win at a Tribunal. And that is at every Club. The only sackings which are ''unlimited'' are race discrimination
That hasn't happened in this instance. I would be all over it, if it was.
The comments by Troy are not helpful at this point in time. It is bourn out of frustration that when there is a little bit of progress, then sackings of black managers appear to set us back a bit in the search for some equality.
Chris has a high standing in the football world and he is one of the few who has the reputation to bounce back at the higher levels. yes by all means point to how few BME managers there are. That's a fact - He isn't saying this is a race related sacking.
The ensuing debate to his article are carrying it in that direction and it really shouldn't. It doesn't mean we don't have the debate. Chris will be back at a high level. I have no doubt about that and that will drive numbers back up again. Will more black managers get the opportunities. I am less sure about that.
In the footballing Industry, when managers get sacked they are paid over the limits of what any of them would win at a Tribunal. And that is at every Club. The only sackings which are ''unlimited'' are race discrimination
That hasn't happened in this instance. I would be all over it, if it was.
The comments by Troy are not helpful at this point in time. It is bourn out of frustration that when there is a little bit of progress, then sackings of black managers appear to set us back a bit in the search for some equality.
Chris has a high standing in the football world and he is one of the few who has the reputation to bounce back at the higher levels. yes by all means point to how few BME managers there are. That's a fact - He isn't saying this is a race related sacking.
The ensuing debate to his article are carrying it in that direction and it really shouldn't. It doesn't mean we don't have the debate. Chris will be back at a high level. I have no doubt about that and that will drive numbers back up again. Will more black managers get the opportunities. I am less sure about that.
Hungry Joe
SINNEN
I think this media nonsense is the very definition of 'counter-productive' when it comes to promoting equality.
Charlies Shinpad
New member
The next thing is some English club will sack a foreign manager and every leftist journalist will blame BREXIT.
What has this country come too !!!
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Tom Hark Preston Park
Will Post For Cash
- Jul 6, 2003
- 70,161
My view is that all the campaigning throughout the war years was to fight for the club's right to continue to exist. Not for the right to say what it would become. DK showed he could be brutal in his sackings. TB has shown likewise. Both hugely fair and decent guys, but both not afraid to take the hard decisions to protect the bottom line and the revenue streams. Doubtless our very own Wolfie Smith will be on here later with much wailing and gnashing of teeth about the commercial evils of the modern game, hopefully not in verse. But like it or loathe it, PL Moneyball what the club desperately yearns to be part of. It's all about return on investment now, while trying to Treat Customers Fairly. And why not? Be under no illusions, the plastics will be equally brutal in withdrawing their 'support' of the club in the event of any relegation.
AmexRuislip
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Just typical gutter press bollox, making sensationalist sh!te out of nothing.
Nothing to see move on.
Nothing to see move on.
Ernest
Stupid IDIOT
I'd be more concerned about the make up of teams like Burnley before crying racist at us
Bold Seagull
strong and stable with me, or...
He is the most high profile BAME manager, and one of the few English managers in the Premier League. Hardly a surprise it again highlights the under representation in the game for coaching and managers, not only BAME, but English too. Who do we have left in the top flight, Hodgson, Howe and Dyche. Warnock on his way.
What can appear from the outside as success, your neck is still on the line if you don't play the right type of football, even before you worry about results.
What can appear from the outside as success, your neck is still on the line if you don't play the right type of football, even before you worry about results.
Troy Townsend's comments are rarely helpful, so far as I've noticed. The BAME cause could have a far wiser figurehead, with far better judgement, IMO.
mejonaNO12 aka riskit
Well-known member
I'm sorry but what the hell.
I appreciate the argument that BAME managers are not getting the OPPORTUNITIES but we already GAVE HIM A JOB and it was the SAME CHAIRMAN who relieved him of his role after what we can all describe as a very poor second half of the season.
I'm not criticising Hughton here, I was DEVASTATED when I heard he had gone, I'm making the point that it's not a sacking out of the blue by a new chairman.
How can race even be brought into this?
I appreciate the argument that BAME managers are not getting the OPPORTUNITIES but we already GAVE HIM A JOB and it was the SAME CHAIRMAN who relieved him of his role after what we can all describe as a very poor second half of the season.
I'm not criticising Hughton here, I was DEVASTATED when I heard he had gone, I'm making the point that it's not a sacking out of the blue by a new chairman.
How can race even be brought into this?
Billy the Fish
Technocrat
Darren Lewis is one of the worst football journos out there. He's basically just a shit stirring self publicist. All his opinions are designed to appeal to the armchair fan who has very little knowledge of football and just swallow what the read in the tabloids or hear on Sky news.