[Travel] Massively unfair’ gulf in bus fares between London and rest of England

beorhthelm · May 6, 2019

as already covered, economies of scale. even with subsidies, the per person subsidy is less the massive population of London means they can afford bigger amounts and cover the infrastructure and fixed costs. rural services simply cannot offer the service/price unless someone pays for it, namely the other local tax payers. tieing in with comments, im sure i read there has been a serious suggestion that Uber like services replace local buses as they are cheaper to pay/subsidise.

that said, im surprised Manchester cant do things cheaper, i expect some deeper issues. looking at the travel card its comparable to London but a single is £4.10.

brightn'ove · May 6, 2019

Live by the sea said:
London bus fares are cheaper than most other places but that's because it is subsidised slightly which the council can afford to do because of the millions of people that live there and that contribute towards the council tax etc.

The downside to London is that unless you are a millionaire and can afford to live in the.nicest parts, ie Hampstead, Highgate, Chelsea, Kensington, primrose hill etc, most of the other parts are quite rough with high levels of crime and not pleasant places to live. You can count the nice places to live in South and East London with one hand. North and west London is admittedly much.nicer although still has some dangerous areas. We don't have that in Brighton, even East Brighton is not dangerous.

It’s not the ****ing Wild West. There are loads of nice places to live in London, you don’t have a clue.

clapham_gull · May 6, 2019

AmexRuislip said:
Please correct if I'm wrong, but don't most people in London walk to their destinations these days.

No.

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clapham_gull · May 6, 2019

brightn'ove said:
[emoji38]ol:

It’s not the ****ing Wild West. There are loads of nice places to live in London, you don’t have a clue.

Chiswick and Richmond are a bit rough apparently.

I've heard it's got so bad in Tory Wandsworth that you can pick up a house in Balham for less than 2 million.

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clapham_gull · May 6, 2019

Avoid Wimbledon and Dulwich.

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clapham_gull · May 6, 2019

Stat Brother said:
I think the point is, deregulation for all buses except London has meant anyone with £60 and a desire to fill out forms can set up a bus company and attempt to make a profit from the routes available.

Whereas regulated London Buses (for all the obvious reasons) gets to make a massive profit and reduce fares.

But not being a transport expert I'm happy to be wrong.

Buses don't make a profit in London.

clapham_gull · May 6, 2019

Greenwich, complete dump.

Kew, don't walk around there in your own.

clapham_gull · May 6, 2019

Live by the sea said:
London bus fares are cheaper than most other places but that's because it is subsidised slightly which the council can afford to do because of the millions of people that live there and that contribute towards the council tax etc.

Just re-read this and spotted some more nonsense. You think local councils run the buses and they are funded from the council tax ?

You quite obviously

1) No nothing about London
2) TFL

The Clamp · May 6, 2019

I pay £14.10 on Stagecoach between Shoreham and Brighton for a weekly mega rider. Much less hassle than driving, 5 mins from my front door and 2 mins from my work place. Busses every ten mins. I think that's alright value.

clapham_gull · May 6, 2019

The Clamp said:
I pay £14.10 on Stagecoach between Shoreham and Brighton for a weekly mega rider. Much less hassle than driving, 5 mins from my front door and 2 mins from my work place. Busses every ten mins. I think that's alright value.

It would cost a fiver in London and you would get mugged at least twice a week.

clapham_gull · May 6, 2019

Spencer Park SW18, South of the river and a stones throw from the crime ridden streets of Clapham Junction. It's got so rough round there Gordon Ramsey is looking at selling up.

The Clamp · May 6, 2019

clapham_gull said:
It would cost a fiver in London and you would get mugged at least twice a week.

Deal

clapham_gull · May 6, 2019

Stockwell, Albert Square. Shocking.

Joanna Lumley still clinging on.

clapham_gull · May 6, 2019

Nightingale Square Balham.

So rough, these houses have been forced to have THEIR OWN PRIVATE PARK.

Have I done enough fingers now ? I'm not sure how many you have.....

Live by the sea · May 7, 2019

Ok there are a few other areas you mentioned that are ok like Barnes and Richmond etc. Greenwich isn't one of them, it's quite rough although it does have a small part that's ok. Clapham is hit and miss, there are some nice parts but also some rough parts. London has got a lot more dangerous the last 15 years, lets be honest . The property market in London has dropped far more than Brighton.

perseus · May 7, 2019

Shoreham to Worthing and back £6.80

https://www.stagecoachbus.com/ticke...f=Worthing,+West+Sussex&g[ADULT]=1&g[total]=1

blue-shifted · May 7, 2019

I feel like I've been mugged every time I pay for a saver to get from Portslade to Brighton and back

clapham_gull said:
It would cost a fiver in London and you would get mugged at least twice a week.

blue-shifted · May 7, 2019

Public transport is a societal and environmental need.

An integrated transport system should be run centrally over the entire nation on the same basis as TFL, just scaled up.

Our current system lends itself to numerous fragmented providers, looking after only themselves and trying to make a short term profit.

clapham_gull · May 7, 2019

Live by the sea said:
The property market in London has dropped far more than Brighton.

Don't compare London prices with anywhere else, that's just silly.

Like the little dig at Clapham, I don't live there

Oh forgot the Northcote Road area of Clapham Junction / Battersea. What a dump especially which it being within THREE large areas of green open space.

Imagine the squirrel, nightmare.

Face it, you don't really know London very well do you ?

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brightn'ove · May 7, 2019

Live by the sea said:
The property market in London has dropped far more than Brighton.

Haha now I know you are on a wind up.

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