[News] Chris Packham

BadFish · Apr 26, 2019

Thunder Bolt said:
His gate was vandalised this morning, with dead birds hung by their necks. I've seen the picture on Twitter but it is distressing so I won't post it here.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/...kham-s-home-as-petition-for-his-a4126486.html

There is a petition doing thew rounds calling for him to be taken on the BBC because he is involved in anti hunting organisations. Apparently this is a conflict of interest and people on TV should not be airing their opinions about stuff.

BadFish · Apr 26, 2019

I watched his documentary about Aspergers with my Aspie boy a couple of years ago. He connected and identified with Chris Packham more than any other person on the spectrum. It was around the time that my boy was getting an in-depth understanding of himself and this film was a cornerstone of that process. I can't thank Chris Packham enough for sharing his story and illuminating some shadowy corners of a young man's self.

wehatepalace · Apr 26, 2019

Wardy's twin said:
Fortunately 94k people have signed a petition to tell BBC NOT to sack him.

Regards the wild bird population are you seriously saying that foxes are the main cause of their decline rather than the destruction of their habitat by mankind.

Next you will be saying foxes are behind the rise in knife crime now that they have moved into the cities.

No that’s not at all what he’s saying......did you even read his post ?
He used the fox as example of a species that has no natural predators. He said crows and rooks without management will result in a decline in our small bird population.
This is fact, not fiction. Having seen crows taking freshly hatched chicks out of their nest isn’t the most pleasant thing I’ve ever seen.

Thunder Bolt · Apr 26, 2019

Brightonfan1983 said:
Evolution seems to have found a way of ensuring they still exist though?

Even before farmers discovered guns.

wehatepalace · Apr 26, 2019

Brightonfan1983 said:
Evolution seems to have found a way of ensuring they still exist though?

Thunder Bolt said:
Even before farmers discovered guns.

I think that’s the point in question, they are thriving despite being controlled, imagine what happens if there is no control in place.

Whatever you think of farmers, they don’t just go round blasting things out of the sky for fun, there is a reason they do it.

Thunder Bolt · Apr 26, 2019

wehatepalace said:
I think that’s the point in question, they are thriving despite being controlled, imagine what happens if there is no control in place.

Whatever you think of farmers, they don’t just go round blasting things out of the sky for fun, there is a reason they do it.

How did they control them before farmers? All those millions of years, you'd think there would be no song birds at all.

wehatepalace · Apr 26, 2019

Thunder Bolt said:
How did they control them before farmers? All those millions of years, you'd think there would be no song birds at all.

Well I guess without farming there was not the same amount of food source for them, and they didn’t reproduce to the same levels. as they have now.
There’s a reason it’s called a murder of crows, I won’t post it on here but google crow pecked lambs.

Thunder Bolt · Apr 26, 2019

wehatepalace said:
Well I guess without farming there was not the same amount of food source for them, and they didn’t reproduce to the same levels. as they have now.
There’s a reason it’s called a murder of crows, I won’t post it on here but google crow pecked lambs.

Yes, I know. I think dogs do more damage to lambs than crows.

wehatepalace · Apr 26, 2019

And I must add, I’m not some blood thirsty shotgun lunatic, I’m avidly against shooting for shooting sake, I refuse point blank to go on pheasant and grouse shoots as I don’t agree with birds being bred to be shot.....but I do understand the need to control predatory species that are becoming out of control.

wehatepalace · Apr 26, 2019

Thunder Bolt said:
Yes, I know. I think dogs do more damage to lambs than crows.

I agree, that’s why a farmer can shoot a dog worrying his flock, but in all honesty, it’s not the dog at fault it’s the owner, that’s a whole other issue. Dogs can be controlled or should be controlled by their owner, corvids can’t.

happypig · Apr 26, 2019

Diablo said:
i`m sure if one was started he`d get 92000 people supporting him.

As a farmer if the rooks/ crows dig up my seed crops and the pigeons start decimating my rape crops , I`m shooting them or getting others to.

Like the fox, Crows Rooks etc have no natural predator and left alone they would decimate small bird population.

Careful now, the General License has been revoked. https://basc.org.uk/shooting/general-licences/

wehatepalace · Apr 26, 2019

happypig said:
Careful now, the General License has been revoked. https://basc.org.uk/shooting/general-licences/

They’ll be reissued from Monday, albeit with different wording, in the meantime you have to apply for an individual license and providing you’ve submitted an application can carry on as before until they decide whether to grant your license or re issue the general license.

Mo Gosfield · Apr 26, 2019

wehatepalace said:
No that’s not at all what he’s saying......did you even read his post ?
He used the fox as example of a species that has no natural predators. He said crows and rooks without management will result in a decline in our small bird population.
This is fact, not fiction. Having seen crows taking freshly hatched chicks out of their nest isn’t the most pleasant thing I’ve ever seen.

They are decimating the small bird population but who cares about that?

wehatepalace · Apr 26, 2019

Mo Gosfield said:
They are decimating the small bird population but who cares about that?

Even the RSPB realise the need for pest control, like I said earlier I’m not a gun toting toff by any stretch, but I do understand countryside management, and a ban on pest control will have a lasting effect on our native small and song bird population.
This legal action has been taken by a new organisation and thankfully many other organisations recognise the lasting damage it will do, I feel sorry for the 1100 people that donated to the crowdfund that ultimately will have wasted their money on what will turn out to be just a loophole.

The Clamp · Apr 26, 2019

He has stated numerous times he prefers animals to people. One of the many things we agree on.

Diablo · Apr 26, 2019

happypig said:
Careful now, the General License has been revoked. https://basc.org.uk/shooting/general-licences/

If there`s 1000 pigeons on a farmers rape crop (which in winter there can be ) I don`t think he`d worry about applying for a licence.

Half an hour at least on the phone to natural England. Answer phone because it`s a saturday. Please ring back monday. Monday another hour being passed from pillar to post. We`ll send a form out. Form arrives wednesday.
Unbelievably complicated another hour on phone to get through to someone who does know what they are talking about. Two weeks later license to shoot pigeons arrives. But no rape left and pigeons have moved to neighbours.

nicko31 · Apr 26, 2019

abc said:
92000 people have signed a petition demanding he be sacked from the BBC

Just because he works for the Beeb doesn't mean he not allowed an opinion.

wehatepalace · Apr 26, 2019

The Clamp said:
He has stated numerous times he prefers animals to people. One of the many things we agree on.

That’s something I agree with him on. Animals are wonderful things, people are not.

seagurn · Apr 26, 2019

Next there be a petition for more songbirds which we need and want . Then there put 2+2 together and realise that the crows and magpies and the like have been decimating them and demanding a cull and quite right to imo .I have a mistle thrush nesting in the garden every year and the ruddy magpies get there chicks. Shoot em

Thunder Bolt · Apr 26, 2019

seagurn said:
Next there be a petition for more songbirds which we need and want . Then there put 2+2 together and realise that the crows and magpies and the like have been decimating them and demanding a cull and quite right to imo .I have a mistle thrush nesting in the garden every year and the ruddy magpies get there chicks. Shoot em

Springwatch monitored a blue tit's nesting box but a green woodpecker found it and eat every one of the fledgelings as they left the nest. Rooks, crows and magpies get all the bad publicity but nobody is talking about going round shooting woodpeckers.
It is nature.

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