[Albion] The level of club we are.......

jamie the seagull · Apr 18, 2019

It shows the level of Manager we have.
Bmuff don’t appear to have any issues surviving.
He may have hit his level but this Club has not.
Now the Club has been hit by his lack of belief/ambition and we all are going to pay.
Whilst we won’t forget he got us promoted he will be remembered for this calamity of a season.

Nixonator · Apr 18, 2019

Perhaps the players could reach their levels for a game or two.

Wilko · Apr 18, 2019

Wickham Wanderer said:
Chris Hughton seems to regularly use the sentence of 'the level of Club we are' in a lot of interviews now. This shows no ambition which is becoming clearly apparent in his tactics as the season goes on. We are a great club and we are very proud to be where we are but we do not want to hope there are three clubs worst of than us every season, as our luck we run out.

Does this sentence refer to the level of club we are, or the level of manager Chris Hughton is?

Thoughts?

I do not mind him saying that, what I do mind is him telling the players that Saints and Cardiff games at home were NOT must win. In other words sending them out with a non-winning attitude as was evident particularly against Saint when we came out for the second half. Appalling attitude to take into home games against teams around you imho.

Weststander · Apr 18, 2019

jamie the seagull said:
It shows the level of Manager we have.
Bmuff don’t appear to have any issues surviving.
He may have hit his level but this Club has not.
Now the Club has been hit by his lack of belief/ambition and we all are going to pay.
Whilst we won’t forget he got us promoted he will be remembered for this calamity of a season.

Using @El Pres’s figures, Bmuff invest heavily in highly paid players, it really isn’t a Cinderella story. We know the correlation between payroll spend and approximate league position.

Watford stand out as an exception to that ... I’m not sure if they still benefit from special relationships with overseas clubs?

Bodian · Apr 18, 2019

Icy Gull said:
The level of club we are needs everyone pulling together. They’ve stopped doing it.

That, there, is the whole thing in a nutshell.

Drebin · Apr 18, 2019

Nobby said:
This is what is all about. Money sets our level and CH is right
Not sure why most of our fans don’t get it.

This. The level of expenditure on wages and transfer fees and the actual league table are depressingly similar. It’s all very predictable. The only real exceptions are Watford who have overachieved this season and Fulham who have not only underachieved but shown the entire football world how not to spend £110 million. God knows how they’re going to deal with that financial situation in the championship. Must be a few players willing to sit out a ludicrously well paid contract there.

Our strict wage policy, despite the moaning from fans, may give us a better chance than others to rebuild a promotion challenging team should we be relegated.

Yoda · Apr 19, 2019

What do people want him to say? Our level should be Challenging for Europe?

Thimble Keegan · Apr 19, 2019

Thunder Bolt said:
Isn't our budget 18th in the division? That's the level we are as a club.

Whilst in the essence you are right and I sort of agree with you, that does not excuse the level of "performance" the squad has put in since January.

At the turn of the year we were in an incredibly healthy position, for us to be in the situation we now find ourselves in is completely unacceptable regardless of our budget compared to other clubs.

The fact of the matter is, despite how much money we have to spend we should be comfortably safe by now, have our feet up and already planning for a third season in the Premier League.

Albion & England forever.

Thimble Keegan
Littlehampton BHA

Nixonator · Apr 19, 2019

Yoda said:
What do people want him to say? Our level should be Challenging for Europe?

I'd take challenging to stay in the league.

Nobby · Apr 19, 2019

jamie the seagull said:
It shows the level of Manager we have.
Bmuff don’t appear to have any issues surviving.
He may have hit his level but this Club has not.
Now the Club has been hit by his lack of belief/ambition and we all are going to pay.
Whilst we won’t forget he got us promoted he will be remembered for this calamity of a season.

Bournemouth, well of course they don’t
Their players are better because they spend more money than we do
Simples

Nobby · Apr 19, 2019

Thimble Keegan said:
Whilst in the essence you are right and I sort of agree with you, that does not excuse the level of "performance" the squad has put in since January.

At the turn of the year we were in an incredibly healthy position, for us to be in the situation we now find ourselves in is completely unacceptable regardless of our budget compared to other clubs.

The fact of the matter is, despite how much money we have to spend we should be comfortably safe by now, have our feet up and already planning for a third season in the Premier League.

Albion & England forever.

Thimble Keegan
Littlehampton BHA

First half of the season we had some lucky wins, so were in a false position.
Since Xmas we’ve lost the luck in games and had some injuries. A team at our level, can’t sustain that for long so we are back where we should be - fighting relegation

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Icy Gull · Apr 19, 2019

Nobby said:
First half of the season we had some lucky wins, so were in a false position.
Since Xmas we’ve lost the luck in games and had some injuries. A team at our level, can’t sustain that for long so we are back where we should be - fighting relegation

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Hard to argue with your first two sentences. The third however I will argue with, we have not been fighting in the last three home games imo. There is more to this than just about every player struggling for form. No idea what it is but although I expect us to lose at Wolves, I really hope we see more more fight and desire than I believe we have put in over the last few games. We have been losing most of the 50/50s in these games, a sure sign of not giving everything imo.

I can take getting beat, disappointing as it is, but I am struggling with what I perceive to be too many players who aren’t giving 100 percent.

If the excuse is fatigue then change the players, isn’t that why we have a squad?

Nobby · Apr 19, 2019

Icy Gull said:
Hard to argue with your first two sentences. The third however I will argue with, we have not been fighting in the last three home games imo. There is more to this than just about every player struggling for form. No idea what it is but although I expect us to lose at Wolves, I really hope we see more more fight and desire than I believe we have put in over the last few games. We have been losing most of the 50/50s in these games, a sure sign of not giving everything imo.

I can take getting beat, disappointing as it is, but I am struggling with what I perceive to be too many players who aren’t giving 100 percent.

If the excuse is fatigue then change the players, isn’t that why we have a squad?

Fair enough - we’re not fighting currently, and especially at home.

dejavuatbtn · Apr 19, 2019

Icy Gull said:
Hard to argue with your first two sentences. The third however I will argue with, we have not been fighting in the last three home games imo. There is more to this than just about every player struggling for form. No idea what it is but although I expect us to lose at Wolves, I really hope we see more more fight and desire than I believe we have put in over the last few games. We have been losing most of the 50/50s in these games, a sure sign of not giving everything imo.

I can take getting beat, disappointing as it is, but I am struggling with what I perceive to be too many players who aren’t giving 100 percent.

If the excuse is fatigue then change the players, isn’t that why we have a squad?

Fatigue and punch drunk from constant pressure in the same areas of the field. I would certainly give Duffy or Dunk a rest and give Burn a few games as he has done well when asked. Our basic problem is that we don’t have sufficient quality in the first XI, let alone the rest of the squad.
As for giving 100% - no one is going to give 100% if they are knackered, dispirited and under orders that they maybe don’t agree with.

jimhigham · Apr 19, 2019

SollysLeftFoot said:
We're not established in the premier league and we're not a yo-yo club...

I think for the next 5-10 years or so we could feasibly become a yo-yo club while we look to embed the academy and consolidate any Premier League earnings. It's not that bad a thing to be.

SollysLeftFoot · Apr 19, 2019

jimhigham said:
I think for the next 5-10 years or so we could feasibly become a yo-yo club while we look to embed the academy and consolidate any Premier League earnings. It's not that bad a thing to be.

Absolutely, it's how clubs like West Brom, Stoke established themselves in the premier league for a sustained amount of time.

The problem I have at the moment is that we're in a rut that neither players or the manager can pull us out from.

jasetheace · Apr 19, 2019

Weststander said:
Wolves have a squad with incredible internationals, acquired through a special relationship with a super agent. That squad is comfortably a top half squad.

Fulham blew £110m on overpriced lemons in one window, mugged.

And Locadia and Jahanbaksh?

Tom Hark Preston Park · Apr 19, 2019

Only investment in proven quality on the playing side will take us to the next level. The infrastructure is all in place now.

Glawstergull · Apr 19, 2019

Weststander said:
Wolves have a squad with incredible internationals, acquired through a special relationship with a super agent. That squad is comfortably a top half squad.

Fulham blew £110m on overpriced lemons in one window, mugged.

So its the result that defines our level not what we spent. It's very fine margins isn't it. If we had a more attacking attitude or had spent the same but on different players we may well be safe by now.

The budget means we are unlikely to be top six but it needn't consign us to relegation.

zefarelly · Apr 19, 2019

The How high is your wage argument doesn't wash with me. We're talking about professional sportsmen here, at a minimum even at Brighton, earning, per week, what most of us earn in a year. They should be prepared to die on the pitch for that or **** off.

CH is at major fault in not changing his starting line up as it clearly has woefully underperforming, players in it, as well as (apparently) disruptive and insubordinate elements.

I would rather see a slightly lesser player with the correct work rate and attitude.

On Tuesday the only player to walk off the pitch with any credit was Bruno.

CH didn't even use his 3rd substitution. Unbelievable.

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