[Albion] I’m now pro VAR - disgraceful officiating

maglers · Mar 17, 2019

Lower West Stander said:
Whether you agree with VAR or not, you simply cannot have a situation where some games in a particular competition have it and some don’t.

It’s not a level playing field and it’s not fair. City should never ever have won last night and there were so many basic officiating errors today VAR would have absolutely made a difference.

Utterly ridiculous.

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Why would City not have won last night with VAR? They might have scored a last minute equaliser and scored eight in extra time. Or won on pens. It’s so simplistic to say goals two and three should not have stood so it would have ended 2-1 to Swansea. No one knows how it would have finished.

Ridiculous

Uh_huh_him · Mar 17, 2019

South Stand Bonfire said:
You didn't need to be an expert in lipreading when the 4th official told the lino that Locardias "goal" was on side. The only major decision that the office got right today was the sending off which deserves more than a 3 match ban imho.

Agreed. The idea of that challenge being given the same punishment that Tomer's accidental step against Newcastle is ludicrous.

Baldseagull · Mar 17, 2019

Lower West Stander said:
Whether you agree with VAR or not, you simply cannot have a situation where some games in a particular competition have it and some don’t.

It’s not a level playing field and it’s not fair. City should never ever have won last night and there were so many basic officiating errors today VAR would have absolutely made a difference.

Utterly ridiculous.

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Which for the FA cup, would mean no VAR, because of the status of the majority of teams that enter the competition.

LlcoolJ · Mar 17, 2019

BensGrandad said:
You cant say that about the lino as Richard Keys and Andy Gray were thrown off TV in the UK for saying much the same.

No they weren't.

BensGrandad · Mar 17, 2019

LlcoolJ said:
No they weren't.

What did they say that was classed as sexist? I thought that it was that she shouldn't be anywhere near a football pitch and should be either in bed or the kitchen or similar.

zefarelly · Mar 17, 2019

I've run the line a few times this season, it's hard to have full conviction at times as you're watching 3 or 4 things at once. Sometimes the ref asks you as he couldn't see. GULP! The OS line is my priority as it's contentious. I'm only @ Sunday morning U14 level. The worst bit is parent/coaches some of them on a Milwall level. One thing I've always hated is 'gamesmanship' or, deliberately trying to cheat. Infuriates me.

Pavilionaire said:
It was the wrong decision. I don't know if it was dreadful. If I was linesman I'd probably get it wrong half of the time, it's not an easy job.

Lower West Stander · Mar 17, 2019

maglers said:
Why would City not have won last night with VAR? They might have scored a last minute equaliser and scored eight in extra time. Or won on pens. It’s so simplistic to say goals two and three should not have stood so it would have ended 2-1 to Swansea. No one knows how it would have finished.

Ridiculous

It is not ridiculous at all.

It is not simplistic to say that their second and third goals should not have been given - they shouldn’t, fact.

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Lower West Stander · Mar 17, 2019

Baldseagull said:
Which for the FA cup, would mean no VAR, because of the status of the majority of teams that enter the competition.

Fair enough, I’ve no problem with that.

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Timbo · Mar 17, 2019

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Lower West Stander said:
It is not ridiculous at all.

It is not simplistic to say that their second and third goals should not have been given - they shouldn’t, fact.

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Just the second would have been disallowed as the third wouldn’t have happened in the same way. Sliding doors and all that.

indy3050 · Mar 17, 2019

LlcoolJ said:
No they weren't.

Yes, yes they were

maffew · Mar 17, 2019

ac gull said:
When VAR first started did think it was a crap idea - now a convert too

Swansea were robbed yesterday - as we very nearly were today too

VAR should be mandatory for all FA Cup quarter finals next year - and the FA should pay for it themselves if non PL teams grounds are the excuse

how it can be used on only certain games at the same stage of the competetion is plain wrong, Should be all or nothing (nothing IMO until its been beta tested much more, but thats by the by)

Pavilionaire · Mar 17, 2019

zefarelly said:
I've run the line a few times this season, it's hard to have full conviction at times as you're watching 3 or 4 things at once. Sometimes the ref asks you as he couldn't see. GULP! The OS line is my priority as it's contentious. I'm only @ Sunday morning U14 level. The worst bit is parent/coaches some of them on a Milwall level. One thing I've always hated is 'gamesmanship' or, deliberately trying to cheat. Infuriates me.

At U-13 level there definitely seems a tendency that if in doubt then flag. Half the stuff given offside never is.

Weststander · Mar 17, 2019

indy3050 said:
Yes, yes they were

You might be correct?

Billy in Bristol · Mar 17, 2019

mwrpoole said:
Rugby does have a 4th official watching and when he’s asked to review something he does so with the ref watching the big screens so all the crowd can see what’s going on. Yesterday in the Wales match the referee actually overturned 2 of his own decisions when he saw the replay on the screen. Very honest of him and no arguments as all could see that was right thing to do.

My recollection that when the video ref system started in rugby matches (both codes) was that the TV official was used when a game was broadcast live and often the official was in the host broadcasters truck in the car park. So, whilst I get the argument that at the moment in many FA Cup matches played away from the full broadcasting glare VAR would be a problem, when we have matches broadcast live you have the infrastructure in place to replicate that. The officials are already miked up and communicating to each other, so one more headset shouldn't be a problem. Or is it the monitors pitch side that are the problem?

Wrong-Direction · Mar 17, 2019

Brighton Lines said:
Coming from rugby, it is important to understand that VAR will take some getting used to. It changes a lot. But it does improve things a lot too.

There is another consideration, which will also face opposition but would ultimately be accepted and improve things. That being playing to the clock.

It means that injury time no longer exists. The clock is stopped at the referee's instruction. The stops time wasting and helps the flow of the game. Once time is up the game is stopped once the ball is out of play.

I know, a huge shift. But ironed out I think folk would appreciate it.

Teams could still time waste though?

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Eeyore · Mar 17, 2019

Wrong-Direction said:
Teams could still time waste though?

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Yes, but less so. It becomes counter productive if the clock is stopped. Also encourages more punishment from exasperated refs.

Wrong-Direction · Mar 17, 2019

Brighton Lines said:
Yes, but less so. It becomes counter productive if the clock is stopped. Also encourages more punishment from exasperated refs.

Oh I get what it means now, sorry just got home..

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zefarelly · Mar 18, 2019

Referees have said to me, If in doubt give it to the defending side. unless it's one of the top 6. obvs!

Pavilionaire said:
At U-13 level there definitely seems a tendency that if in doubt then flag. Half the stuff given offside never is.

Goldstone1976 · Mar 18, 2019

BensGrandad said:
What did they say that was classed as sexist? I thought that it was that she shouldn't be anywhere near a football pitch and should be either in bed or the kitchen or similar.

Top bombing, BG.

trueblue · Mar 18, 2019

With VAR, why does the Assistant even need to bother with offside? When it’s in place, they can’t flag anyway until the ball is pretty much in the net, just in case they’re wrong.

As all offsides can be checked within seconds and far more accurately, perhaps play should just continue and the linesman should only raise their flag when they’re told to by the VAR.

Freed from having to look along the line all the time, they could actually do something useful and help the ref on more serious offences (the Hendrick non-penalty and Huddersfield foul on Andone spring to mind).

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