[Football] West Brom sack Darren Moore

Easy 10 said:

There's loads.
Off the top of my head...

Mickey Adams Mk 1
Peter Taylor
Pep Guardiola
Brendan Rogers
Sam Allardyce
Jose Mourinho
Jurgen Klopp

All those managers have left clubs of their own accord to move on.

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crodonilson said:

Does anyone know why Darren Moore is referred to as 'Big Dave' by West Brom fans but 'Moore-o' by the rest of the football family?

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MJsGhost said:

“Big Dave” was a big black guy on Pot Noodle adverts when he started playing for them.

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MJsGhost said:

“Big Dave” was a big black guy on Pot Noodle adverts when he started playing for them.

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colonies man said:

I believe if CH was sacked or resigned in the future he would not find it easy to find a better job.I agree his record in the Championship would attract interest from that division,but watching the current performances I don’t believe he would find a position in the Premier.

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Weststander said:

CH is doing a great job keeping us out of the relegation zone, for 2 seasons, given our relatively paltry player wages budget. Almost everyone other club is deliberately spending big on wages, to attract readymade ‘names’ and top flight quality players.

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sussex_guy2k2 said:

Thanks, I just read the article that was posted. Like anything, this particular chart needs to be taken with some context though. Firstly, it's last year and I agree 100% that CH did well to keep us up last year. So in this regard we're in agreement.

However, we're a year on. We've had a year more of spending money. We've had a year more of spending bigger on wages. And the reality is we've not had a year of real progress on the pitch. Arguably, we've gone backward. Now people can point to football finances all they want, but there's going to come a point where we will need to start expecting more than just pure survival each year whilst playing really unattractive football. Burnley, for example, are just above us yet they got into Europe last year. Watford this year have gone further in a cup competition and are threatening Europe. We should be aspiring to be better, not sitting here being grateful for turgid football and a lack of progress just because we're happy to be in the top flight. And I appreciate a lot of people disagree with that, but that's my personal view.

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crodonilson said:

Ahh, so just some casual racism from the West Brom fans then. 'Moore-o' is a far better nickname anyway.

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MJsGhost said:

“Big Dave” was a big black guy on Pot Noodle adverts when he started playing for them.

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crodonilson said:

Ahh, so just some casual racism from the West Brom fans then. 'Moore-o' is a far better nickname anyway.

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Weststander said:

Ahead of the game, I recently asked [MENTION=31]El Presidente[/MENTION] on a similar thread (people slagging off CH), where we are in 2018/19 wages. His educated estimate was that we're still right down there in the very bottom grouping. Confirming IMO that CH has to operate with most likely inferior players as a whole, compared to a wide array of clubs spending mental on names and internationals.

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sussex_guy2k2 said:

Lower wages isn't always a sign of inferior players though, is it. Furthermore, as pointed out in my previous post, other clubs with lower wages punch above their weight regularly through good management, the right signings, developing players and being tactically better than the opposition. It also goes without saying that we would have lower wages as we've spent a large portion of our recent time in the Championship and clubs' wage bills etc only tend to increase in line with regular exposure to the Premier League. I would expect this to increase over the next few years in line with our continued time in this league.

I guess the question is how long we go on accepting bad football when the results really aren't good either? Maybe a lot of fans are happy to just be in the top division and surviving. Maybe the board and TB are similarly happy with that. But the more we become and are treated like customers rather than fans (and our club are doing this more and more regularly), the more right we have to expect either better results or better football. At least that's my opinion. I appreciate if you don't agree with that though.

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Weststander said:

There’s a proven link from sports academics, of a strong correlation between PL wage spend and final league position.

Obviously with some anomolies each season, such as LCFC winning the league, but the overall correlation is strong.

Greated player wages budget = acquire/better players = higher PL league position over time.

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sussex_guy2k2 said:

For sure, but using that logic alone would mean that promoted teams would almost always go back down as they almost always have the lowest wage bills (the odd exception like Newcastle aside). In reality, consistent squads, a clear tactical plan and a togetherness tend to bring a lot of promoted clubs through that first season and from then on they can build by earning more and, consequently, paying more.

So, back to my question - how long do we go on accepting bad results AND bad performances?

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sussex_guy2k2 said:

For sure, but using that logic alone would mean that promoted teams would almost always go back down as they almost always have the lowest wage bills (the odd exception like Newcastle aside). In reality, consistent squads, a clear tactical plan and a togetherness tend to bring a lot of promoted clubs through that first season and from then on they can build by earning more and, consequently, paying more.

So, back to my question - how long do we go on accepting bad results AND bad performances?

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sussex_guy2k2 said:

I personally have reservations about CHs ability to take us to "the next level", whatever that means for a club like us (although I'm more than willing to be proven wrong). What I have no reservations about is his ability to get us back in the Prem if we go down.

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sussex_guy2k2 said:

Thanks, I just read the article that was posted. Like anything, this particular chart needs to be taken with some context though. Firstly, it's last year and I agree 100% that CH did well to keep us up last year. So in this regard we're in agreement.

However, we're a year on. We've had a year more of spending money. We've had a year more of spending bigger on wages. And the reality is we've not had a year of real progress on the pitch. Arguably, we've gone backward. Now people can point to football finances all they want, but there's going to come a point where we will need to start expecting more than just pure survival each year whilst playing really unattractive football. Burnley, for example, are just above us yet they got into Europe last year. Watford this year have gone further in a cup competition and are threatening Europe. We should be aspiring to be better, not sitting here being grateful for turgid football and a lack of progress just because we're happy to be in the top flight. And I appreciate a lot of people disagree with that, but that's my personal view.

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sussex_guy2k2 said:

I was given information, but I asked (legitimately) where that information came from; I had no idea who he was so no landmine has been jumped on. And his information still doesn't deter from my original point.

People are allowed to ask basic questions without having people jump down their throat.

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Weststander said:

Everyone has their opinion on that.

To me, our squad lacks a PL class centre midfield three (in its entirety). Once we have that ... shirley this summer .... then lets’s see how CH gets on ALL OF next season.

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Seasider78 said:

Last season we stayed remarkably injury free and the team held their own and we survived. In the summer I would say we improved the squad but really didn’t hugely improve the starting 11. With the injuries this season the squad has meant we have held our own and if we stay up then that is progress of sorts as I am not sure our squad last season would have coped.

I am hoping in the summer we are looking at players who can hit the ground running and be guaranteed starting 11 calibre and we should push on as you say.

For that reason I would say Hughton is doing a decent job at the moment but clearly we all want to see some more quality and attacking intent next season.

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