https://www.theguardian.com/politic...fter-school-strike-but-only-a-handful-turn-up
Ridiculous, frankly.
Ridiculous, frankly.
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[Finance] Seriously, this government is failing us. Schools closing...
- Thread starter The Clamp
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Germans I’ve met often talk about far greater numbers of 18 years old there going into highly skilled apprenticeships, backed by higher education, often with small/medium sized employers sponsoring. With a far lower proportion (than the UK) of 18 year olds going into HE purely for an academic degree. Stats back this up.
Which must shirley help their skill base, high quality of goods and services, productivity, exports and the paying for HE. The economic success of Germany backs that up.
Correct.
Also. Small to medium sized business, or the Mittelstand as they’re called, are the back bone of Germany. They contribute way way more to the nation than larger businesses.
Hastings gull
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Germans take training very seriously - in general far more than we do. How often have you, the reader, encountered someone either in a shop, for example, or in the work place, where he/she could be of little help as they had no real expertise.
Sadly I remember a British documentary about Mittlestand businesses, a great system. Then they often feature on other prog’s such as Grand Designs where an incredible Kit House (well, far better than that), will come over to UK in parts with a small team of incredibly skilled Germans who work 12 hour days to complete it in x days. Even their tooling is in perfect order in their vans. Typically German. Another form of their export success.
Live by the sea
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Get them out
We are the 6*wealthiest country in the world and schools are closing early as they cannot afford to stay open. Schools. Think about that.
And the alternative is ? Oh yes the hard left communist party of jeremy corbyn. Would anyone with even one brain cell want that rabble in charge. NO. Think about that !
We are the 6*wealthiest country in the world and schools are closing early as they cannot afford to stay open. Schools. Think about that.
And the alternative is ? Oh yes the hard left communist party of jeremy corbyn. Would anyone with even one brain cell want that rabble in charge. NO. Think about that !
A middle ground in the next parliament, being a coalition, that will raise taxation fairly across the board whilst not for the low paid, scrap HS2, and invest.
Baldseagull
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I really can't get my head around that 625,000 people (that the goverment recorded) moved to the UK last year i.e. 1712 people PER DAY. Its no wonder services such as the NHS and schools are struggling with those numbers!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47400679
They don't really know the EU portion, we just estimate those numbers based on surveys at airports, and you miss the point that most of those people will be adults, not kids needing school places, more of those people will be working in the NHS than using it, and a large number will be fee paying university students.
Hastings gull
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Yes, thanks but in what would they invest?
Hastings gull
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If it is all a rough estimate, as you say -and I am not disputing that -then how can you possibly be so sure as to where all these thousands are ending up?
From my recent experience elsewhere - Hospitals to start with. The amazing new Royal Sussex, needs to be replicated elsewhere. School building progressed well for a number of years, now needs to be stepped up again. Facilities and specialists in mental health - the waiting lists are horrendous, treatment too short. Rural bus servives need to be improved again with public money, older people and others are trapped. Plus general societal stuff mentioned by other posters.
drew
Drew
Correct me if I'm wrong but there seems to be two thrusts to your argument. Blame the unfair collection of taxes and/or distribution of wealth and secondly that there are too many foreigners coming in and taking out of the system.
Can't argue with the first. Unfortunately, surely it's the aspirations of the likes of JRM that seek to turn us into a tax haven with low taxes which will merely encourage those with money to squirrel it away!! Also, surely it is the those at the bottom of the food chain that will suffer more without the protection the umbrella of the EU offers against the extremes of a right leaning Tory government!
As regards your second point, hasn't it been demonstrated that those economic migrants coming in to the country are net contributors to the economy. Take them out then we would be in an even worse fiscal situation!!!
Hastings gull
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I don't think anyone would take issue with any of your suggestions -the problem is our two-faced attitude to paying taxes -no one wants to pay more, and certainly lots more, but we all expect the ambulance to be there in 7 minutes. Political leaders know that, and thus are hardly going to stand up at election time, and state that, once in power, we are going to tax you all so much more.
Hastings gull
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This assumes, of course, that they are working legitimately and paying taxes. But there is also a knock-on effect to mass immigration - the infrastructure does not always keep up and in order to do so, needs so much more cash.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Nope. I've not even been to Tenerife.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
In the meantime.
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Corbyn, McDonnell, several key union leaders are lifelong anti EU. No one could argue they don’t care for those at the bottom of the food chain. They’re very clear that the banks and multinationals hold sway with the EU.
“It is also a myth that the EU has won workers’ rights and protections for workers.
Nearly all the laws that protect employment rights, social rights, women’s rights and racial equality in Britain are UK laws which have been won by the struggles and campaigns of the British trade union and Labour movement.”
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Need to:
1. Tackle tax fraud/evasion even harder. From the jobbing builder/taxi driver cheating the system, all the way up to cheating multinations such as Starbucks. Under the radar, HMRC/Treasury have made great strides in recent years in closing the tax gap, £B’s extra raised a year.
2. Raise tax in open and fair way (not the furtive stealth tax rises of the governments from 1997 to 2019). For the public and polticians to work out.
Raleigh Chopper
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At the end of the day it is about giving the kids the best possible education, they are just innocent kids.
From surestart right through to further education it is a bloody mess due to funding, Tory brainwashed idiots like Hastings Gull still refuse to see it and May continues to deny it.
Ask any head teacher or teacher and they will tell you how they have to scrape for every penny and still face cuts, and special needs education is even worse, makes you want to throw up.
Have a think about it, this government is cutting childrens education to the bone.
It's sick, I can only think that May must hate kids, especially disabled and poor ones.
Out of all the callous and unnecessary austerity cuts this is the one that really makes my piss boil.
They have chopped and changed the curriculum, Gove wanted to bring back Latin FFS, GCSE is now all based on the exam ( yeah all kids are good at exams)
Along with almost everything this shite government has got it's grubby hands on, education is a mess, our poor children.
We should take lessons from Scandinavia and Canada.
From surestart right through to further education it is a bloody mess due to funding, Tory brainwashed idiots like Hastings Gull still refuse to see it and May continues to deny it.
Ask any head teacher or teacher and they will tell you how they have to scrape for every penny and still face cuts, and special needs education is even worse, makes you want to throw up.
Have a think about it, this government is cutting childrens education to the bone.
It's sick, I can only think that May must hate kids, especially disabled and poor ones.
Out of all the callous and unnecessary austerity cuts this is the one that really makes my piss boil.
They have chopped and changed the curriculum, Gove wanted to bring back Latin FFS, GCSE is now all based on the exam ( yeah all kids are good at exams)
Along with almost everything this shite government has got it's grubby hands on, education is a mess, our poor children.
We should take lessons from Scandinavia and Canada.
Baldseagull
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The EU portion is a rough estimate, non EU students and workers are counted by visas issued, but the amount overstaying Visas is estimated, and the methodology for the overstayers has been criticised as inaccurately high, whilst the EU numbers methodology is plus or minus up to 40%, that is the same for departures as arrivals.
I can't be sure where all these thousands are ending up, but we know the percentage of foreign born nationals working in the NHS is around 13%, and the Universities reported that about 430,000 foreign students studied in the UK in 2015/16 which is a 28% increase from 2007/8
https://www.universitiesuk.ac.uk/po...onal/International_Facts_and_Figures_2017.pdf
Assuming international students are roughly the same in numbers, a large percentage of the 625,000 arrivals in the news report you linked to would be students. The Government uses the ONS International Passenger Survey to determine numbers of overstayers on student visas and produces a figure of 90,000 annually, but when Universities check on their graduates to determine if and where they are working, they find the numbers of international students employed outside of the UK mean that no more than 40,000 remain in the UK, and the majority of those have been issued a working visa, which means they are being included as an immigrant in figures for the year they arrived as a student, and as an arrival and an overstayer in the year their student Visa expired and their working visa was issued.
There is an unconfirmed report that overstaying student numbers are actually 1500, rather than the 90,000 the IPS suggests, as determined by 12 months of exit checks that were carried out to April 2016. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/ministers-hide-report-on-migrant-numbers-dv8dbj7cz
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