[Politics] British IS Girl wanting to return to the UK

Kalimantan Gull · Feb 14, 2019

Uncle Spielberg said:
She still thinks the same at 19

quite. Its only a sidepoint really but she strikes me as naive, idealistic and 'innocent' (in certain definitions of that word). I don't think she'd have a clue to keep up with the debates on this thread, or the complications of her position. Everyone assumes she is motivated by hatred for the west, but I read it more that she became infatuated with the 'heroic soldiers of the caliphate', call it brainwashing, sure.

.... like I say, a sidepoint. It would cause huge difficulties for her to return and her association with the evil of that empire will stay with her forever

Mackenzie · Feb 14, 2019

She is IS and by default a member of a terrorist organisation, entering the UK should mean life imprisonment for her and her children taken into care.

Possibly a better future than she is facing right now.

Fignon's Ponytail · Feb 14, 2019

So she has shown no remorse, still lives by the ideals of IS - and by her choosing is against the Western way of life...yet shes desperate for her baby to be brought up in this society & take whatever she can from the state

Abso - bloody - lutely crazy.

Leave her out there & ignore her pleas to return "home". She knew what she was doing when she left these shores 4 years ago, & needs to live by that decision.

daveinplzen · Feb 14, 2019

Talk is about this girl on radio 2 currently

Publius Ovidius · Feb 14, 2019

marlowe said:
I wouldn't like to give an opinion either way on whether she should be let back in or not purely on the strength of the content of that one article. Especially as there are already discrepancies in the reporting of certain stated "facts" in the article itself. An article written by a third person who possibly may have his own agenda is hardly the basis on which to form an educated opinion about her, her thinking or her motivations or any threat she may or may not pose. Based on that article I have no idea whether she should or should not be allowed to return to the UK.

She was interviewed and the transcript played on the news....are you saying that they made it all up and the interview is fake?

oneillco · Feb 14, 2019

The Rivet said:
You can see why Caroline Lucas is voted for, you can see why this area is a bastion of liberalness with some of the crazy thought processes on show here.

There are as many people on here expressing no sympathy as those taking a more humanitarian view. If you want to join a one dimensional "debate" where everyone agrees she is a "c**t" and her baby is one as well, then go to Millwall's North Stand Banter forum. You'll feel right at home... (incidentally I don't sympathise with her at all, but I am open to other opinions)

marlowe · Feb 14, 2019

Publius Ovidius said:
She was interviewed and the transcript played on the news....are you saying that they made it all up and the interview is fake?

Where on earth have I implied that? I quite clearly stated "based on that article". I haven't seen her on the news yet. I'm not sure how you could so badly misinterpret and distort the point of my post. A more reasoned response would be that you weren't basing your opinion just on that article as you had also seen her interviewed on the news.
Your response demonstrates a perfect example of what I was arguing about earlier regarding people who selectively paraphrase and by doing so fail to give an accurate picture on which to base their arguments. With respect to that your accusation refering to fake news is quite ironic.

LVGull · Feb 14, 2019

Kalimantan Gull said:
I just keep seeing her as a 15-year old child. What do they know of the world, really?

She's now seen more than the majority will ever see. No one says I still see the Bulger killers as ten year olds.

Herr Tubthumper · Feb 14, 2019

I’ve just seen a photo of her. It’s a Y from me.

Boys 9d · Feb 14, 2019

If she does return to the UK, my feeling is that she is an unfit mother and the child should be taken into care.

el punal · Feb 14, 2019

Kalimantan Gull said:
I just keep seeing her as a 15-year old child. What do they know of the world, really?

You may see her as a 15-year old child and I applaud your sympathetic concern for her. I would imagine she has seen and knows the very worst of the world, but equally, she has to bear some responsibility for her actions - it was her choice to join IS. Many thousands have been affected by the horrors that have taken place, and they had no choice in the matter.

kjgood · Feb 14, 2019

She left our society and joined one that is working to overthrow our way of life and values. That was her choice, i'm not sure if she has broken any of our laws by doing that but i suspect she may have. In my eyes she has lost her right to reside here and hold a UK passport. She wanted the Islamic or Syrian way of life, she has it. Not so great is it?

Yes she was young and the whole situation is a tradegy but it is what it is. Entry to our society shouldnt be allowed, she received what she left to get, enjoy.

Herr Tubthumper · Feb 14, 2019

kjgood said:
She left our society and joined one that is working to overthrow our way of life and values. That was her choice, i'm not sure if she has broken any of our laws by doing that but i suspect she may have. In my eyes she has lost her right to reside here and hold a UK passport..

You’re not sure if she’s broken any laws but she’s lost her right to reside in the UK? How do you square that? You seem rather confused.

Spicy · Feb 14, 2019

Mackenzie said:
She is IS and by default a member of a terrorist organisation, entering the UK should mean life imprisonment for her and her children taken into care.

Possibly a better future than she is facing right now.

Don't think she has any children, thought they had both died in an IS camp, hence the reason she wants to come here and have the baby on the NHS. And what about her scum of a husband if that happens? Will he suddenly have a change of mind and no longer be IS? Doubt it.

kjgood · Feb 14, 2019

Herr Tubthumper said:
You’re not sure if she’s broken any laws but she’s lost her right to reside in the UK? How do you square that? You seem rather confused.

I square it with she decided to leave our society, reject our values and join a banned group even if she hasnt broken any laws as she was a minor at the time. i'm not confused at all. she shouldnt be let back in.

BensGrandad · Feb 14, 2019

she is a member of a terrorist group and should be treated as such, whatever that entails.

Hillian1 · Feb 14, 2019

Lay with dogs, get fleas.

banjo · Feb 14, 2019

As long as she’s not a vegan, I recon give her a second chance. :kiss:

Mellor 3 Ward 4 · Feb 14, 2019

Her (yet to be born) baby has done nothing wrong.

Let her have the child, then take it away from her, change its name, have it adopted, and leave the mother where she is.

The Rivet · Feb 14, 2019

Kalimantan Gull said:
I just keep seeing her as a 15-year old child. What do they know of the world, really?

In which case 12 more months wouldn't make a voter huh? Wise enough to vote means wise enough to accept responsibility? No?

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