Well, yes. But what has that got to do with the price of fish?
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[Misc] Veganism
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Well, yes. But what has that got to do with the price of fish?
FatSuperman
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- Feb 25, 2016
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Thread went off piste about as quickly as you’d expect.
Boggles The mind how bloody stubborn people get over this subject. It is rather basic science that teaches us that you lose energy each time you convert it. Nothing is 100% efficient. The most efficient internal combustion engine in the world is 40% efficient. So when you burn the gasoline to create energy, 60% of it is lost. And that’s before you consider everything else sapping the energy (resistance from road, aerodynamics / wind, etc).
So people that think you are using land MORE effectively by producing food and water to give to one animal, in order to kill it and feed other animals must be pretty ****ing stupid. Ignoring all of the ethical / animal welfare arguments, meat is way more environmentally unfriendly than plants.
Christ why can’t people just be honest and say ‘I like to eat what I want’? It’s nobody else’s business why each of us eat what we want anyway.
Boggles The mind how bloody stubborn people get over this subject. It is rather basic science that teaches us that you lose energy each time you convert it. Nothing is 100% efficient. The most efficient internal combustion engine in the world is 40% efficient. So when you burn the gasoline to create energy, 60% of it is lost. And that’s before you consider everything else sapping the energy (resistance from road, aerodynamics / wind, etc).
So people that think you are using land MORE effectively by producing food and water to give to one animal, in order to kill it and feed other animals must be pretty ****ing stupid. Ignoring all of the ethical / animal welfare arguments, meat is way more environmentally unfriendly than plants.
Christ why can’t people just be honest and say ‘I like to eat what I want’? It’s nobody else’s business why each of us eat what we want anyway.
FatSuperman
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Do people really believe shit like that? Plant eating will ruin the planet? Morons.
Will be ‘interesting’ to see what happens as some of the poorer continents continue to develop / increase incomes. Currently, meat only provides something like 15% of food energy for everyone on the planet. Yet over a quarter of the land is used for livestock grazing. And over a third of crop lands are used for animal feed production. Probably some efficiencies to be gained here, but it’s not sustainable by a long shot. Won’t be our problem though, just like many things.
Will be ‘interesting’ to see what happens as some of the poorer continents continue to develop / increase incomes. Currently, meat only provides something like 15% of food energy for everyone on the planet. Yet over a quarter of the land is used for livestock grazing. And over a third of crop lands are used for animal feed production. Probably some efficiencies to be gained here, but it’s not sustainable by a long shot. Won’t be our problem though, just like many things.
pastafarian
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Exactly. Nail on the head, ever growing population is the problem. Too many people.
We don’t need veganism to survive-just less people.
What we need is for god to do another genocide, drown everyone and submerge the land with more water than is physically possible, except for 8 people maybe and 2 of every type of animal, who can escape on a boat, and just start again. There will be no dinosaurs this time so the vessel doesn’t have to be as big…….which is obviously a bonus given construction costs nowadays.
On the plus side, kangaroos wont have to walk to the ark anymore then walk back to Australia after the flood, modern transport techniques have improved considerably.
beorhthelm
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- Jul 21, 2003
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ironically you have overlooked that ruminants are much more efficient at converting basic cellulose material to protein, carbs and fats. eating meat is more efficent way to obtain protein and other nutrients. theres an argument about how much meat we eat, 8-10oz steaks for ~£3 arent necessary, but difficult to tell people not to eat cheap meat. it would be better we didnt demand cheap food and instead stuck to meant reared on marginal lands, valley grass lands and hills, without feeds from across the world.
Horses Arse
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Horses Arse
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If you're saying that eating a cow that eats grass is a more efficient way of eating protein that eating the grass directly then you are spot on!
My daughter is a vegan and her motivation was the appalling level of cruelty these poor animals are subjected to. Any environmental advantages or disadvantages are co-incidental to her, If it helps the environment, great, but it's the animal welfare that motivates most Vegans.
brightn'ove
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Lower West Stander
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Had a Big Mac yesterday.
It was lovely....
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It was lovely....
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beorhthelm
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GOM
living vicariously
Quite simple really, I like eating meat/fish/eggs/dairy.
BrickTamland
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Take a B12 supplement if you feel you need to, availbe in Holland and Barrett’s. I’ve never supplemented but I did a test before and after (just over a year of doing it I think) and was healthier in every department including iron. You learn tricks here and there as you go, marmite for example is stacked with B12. In fact B12 defiency is a problem in general, not just vegans/vegetarians so everyone should be aware of potentially lacking it. Just eat lots of veg (greener the better) and you’ll be fine.
P.S - if you have any questions just give me a message and I’ll be happy to answer
P.S - if you have any questions just give me a message and I’ll be happy to answer
There's not a chance in hell I could turn vegan. I like diary too much ...... and eggs. We've cut back on meat and now have it twice a week, fish twice and three days of veggie. It feels a decent balance.
I don't have an issue with people deciding to be vegan just as long as they don't try and push it my way ( it does almost seem like a religion for some ). What gives vegans a really bad name are the knobs like DXE going around Brighton at the moment intimidating people and thus actually turning people against their cause. They need a punch in the face.
I don't have an issue with people deciding to be vegan just as long as they don't try and push it my way ( it does almost seem like a religion for some ). What gives vegans a really bad name are the knobs like DXE going around Brighton at the moment intimidating people and thus actually turning people against their cause. They need a punch in the face.
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Hotchilidog
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You will find B12 is added to quite a lot of things, so any soy, almond milk etc. Also breakfast cereals, and any 'processed' vegan foods B12 shouldn't really be a problem. By all means your friend can take a supplement but it will be found added to many foods already.