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Seems that the new UKIP leader is a bit of a fan. For once I find myself agreeing with Mr Farage.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46308160
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46308160
Bad for UKIP. Farage is right - they should boot out their idiot leader. UKIP was originally basically a pressure group for leaving the EU - it should have stayed that way instead of trying to become a fully fledged political party and a safe home for nasty right wing people.
I'm not saying everyone who voted for them falls into these categories, but UKIP has always been a safe haven for nasty bitter blue-rinse little-Englanders and outrights racists. Once Brexit won the vote, this is what they were always going to turn into, to remain relevant to those very same people.
UKIP has run it's course, flown it's flag, won it's battle, and is now being driven into the ground, probably ending it's days as watered down version of the BNP.
Tommy Robinson for once being used by a political party, for publicity how sad, time for UKIP to disband.
I think you'll find that's the Conservative Party! In its original form, UKIP was a place for the whole of the very wide spectrum of people wanting to leave the EU, left as well as right.I'm not saying everyone who voted for them falls into these categories, but UKIP has always been a safe haven for nasty bitter blue-rinse little-Englanders and outrights racists.
Can't disagree with that - only concern is that if the vast majority of Westminster politicians who don't want to leave at all vote to overturn the referendum, UKIP - or something like it - will be needed all over again, but large numbers of those who voted UKIP in 2015 won't vote for it in its current state.UKIP has run it's course, flown it's flag, won it's battle, and is now being driven into the ground, probably ending it's days as watered down version of the BNP. Tommy Robinson for once being used by a political party, for publicity how sad, time for UKIP to disband.
And yet UKIP support in the latest polls posted by Ernest show UKIP support going up - in one poll they had over double the percentage points of the Green Party !
Blue-rinse brigade maybe but in my opinion, the Conservative party was never a natural home for outright racists. Tommy Robinson's ilk for example, wouldn't really be any more likely to vote Tory than Labour.I think you'll find that's the Conservative Party! In its original form, UKIP was a place for the whole of the very wide spectrum of people wanting to leave the EU, left as well as right.
And yet UKIP support in the latest polls posted by Ernest show UKIP support going up - in one poll they had over double the percentage points of the Green Party !
And yet UKIP support in the latest polls posted by Ernest show UKIP support going up - in one poll they had over double the percentage points of the Green Party !
And that's the issue a lot of posters here don't realise IMO.
The usual suspects come on here calling anyone who votes UKIP a racist little-Englander, but they have their heads firmly in the sand (or more likely rammed up their own arses). All that does in the real world is turn people more against you, and drives them further right.
The far right is rising throughout Europe. Just labelling anyone who might vote for UKIP as a racist is not going to help the issue. Unless center politic gets itself in order, and fast, then I don't see it slowing down. And let's be honest, Germany isn't the most happy country at the moment amongst the locals. Flooded with immigrants; the average German feeling the forgotten minority; Didn't end well last time something like that happened did it!
I am surprised this thread hasn't gone into a left wing lovie meltdown at the mere mention of Tommy Robinson's name.
The latest polls have Labour and Tory neck and neck, and UKIP and Lib Dems battling for third. The green are where they should be... nowhere.
Tories and Labour neck and neck, with PM May one of the most hated people in the country, the party tearing themselves apart, and Labour still can't get a lead. What does that tell you about left wing politics in the UK?
By the time the referendum was upon us, the Scots already sensed this and Farage was being egged and booed wherever he went up there. He did resonate far more down here who oddly still saw him as some everyman pint and fag man who loves his country, rather than the hypocritical German passport-holding, lying tosser with enough money not to be affected by this decision that he actually is.
If the 'Peoples Vote' comes about and reverses Brexit watch voters move their vote to parties such as UKIP. Certainly if that happens my vote will immediately go back to UKIP ( from Labour ).
Should split them nicely between the pure fascists and the soft racists.
Like the Tory party on steroids...
Which bit of "I'm not saying everyone who voted for them falls into these categories" did you fail to understand?Couldn't agree more and you only need to look a couple of posts up at Simster's post to see that. So despite seeing a huge surge of people in the Western world voting for change ( USA, UK, France, Italy, Greece, Germany to name but a few ) because their concerns have been dismissed for decades - either as racist or as 'fruit cakes' to quote Cameron, there are still commentors using the same combatitive language and dismising those views. If the 'Peoples Vote' comes about and reverses Brexit watch voters move their vote to parties such as UKIP. Certainly if that happens my vote will immediately go back to UKIP ( from Labour ).
EDIT - and before someone jumps in, I in no way condone UKIP employing Robinson.