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Napier's Knee

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From The Guardian's '10 Talking Points from the Weekend's Action':


2) Hughton’s complaining misses the point

Cardiff have made a miserable start to the season, and are second favourites to go down. Yet, after Brighton lost against them, Chris Hughton decided that what he really needed to do was criticise the officials. The reality is, the laws of football are badly drafted and interpreting them requires officials to perform tasks beyond the capability of the human eye. Big mistakes are inevitable. So though Sol Bamba was, as Hughton says, offside before scoring the winning goal, that is not the point. What is the point is that Brighton took an early lead, missed fine chances to extend it and then, after Cardiff equalised, Dale Stephens got himself sent off. Which is to say that Brighton lost not because the officials made mistakes but because Brighton made mistakes. Hughton and his players would do well to acknowledge that. Daniel Harris
 


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From The Guardian's '10 Talking Points from the Weekend's Action':


2) Hughton’s complaining misses the point

Cardiff have made a miserable start to the season, and are second favourites to go down. Yet, after Brighton lost against them, Chris Hughton decided that what he really needed to do was criticise the officials. The reality is, the laws of football are badly drafted and interpreting them requires officials to perform tasks beyond the capability of the human eye. Big mistakes are inevitable. So though Sol Bamba was, as Hughton says, offside before scoring the winning goal, that is not the point. What is the point is that Brighton took an early lead, missed fine chances to extend it and then, after Cardiff equalised, Dale Stephens got himself sent off. Which is to say that Brighton lost not because the officials made mistakes but because Brighton made mistakes. Hughton and his players would do well to acknowledge that. Daniel Harris

Self-evident, but not 'brutal', no.

He's choosing to incorrectly interpret what Hughton said, IMO. Nothing Hughton said contradicts what Harris writes there. He knows Stephens challenge was stupid and unnecessary and made no criticism of the ref for that decision. Hughton was rightly furious that 50 minutes of excellent defensive work came to nothing due to an official's error, that's all. And he's right, so what 'point' is he supposed to be missing? :shrug:
 


chaileyjem

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I wonder what Hughton or his team said to his players in the dressing room. ? “Don’t worry fellas. You were unlucky” was probably the least of it.
 


Bakero

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A bizarre rant by Daniel Harris. If Hughton was in the habit of complaining about officials, he might have had a point.
 


Goldstone1976

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From The Guardian's '10 Talking Points from the Weekend's Action':


2) Hughton’s complaining misses the point

Cardiff have made a miserable start to the season, and are second favourites to go down. Yet, after Brighton lost against them, Chris Hughton decided that what he really needed to do was criticise the officials. The reality is, the laws of football are badly drafted and interpreting them requires officials to perform tasks beyond the capability of the human eye. Big mistakes are inevitable. So though Sol Bamba was, as Hughton says, offside before scoring the winning goal, that is not the point. What is the point is that Brighton took an early lead, missed fine chances to extend it and then, after Cardiff equalised, Dale Stephens got himself sent off. Which is to say that Brighton lost not because the officials made mistakes but because Brighton made mistakes. Hughton and his players would do well to acknowledge that. Daniel Harris

Half true. We lost because of the things he says AND because the officials made mistakes. If they see the offside, we draw. Simple enough, surely?
 






Not Andy Naylor

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Like most of the best managers, CH won’t criticise players publicly. He saves that for the dressing room and will, no doubt, have said all of the above and more.
 


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Half true. We lost because of the things he says AND because the officials made mistakes. If they see the offside, we draw. Simple enough, surely?

This. Officials can have as much of n influence on the result as the players - especially in a tight match.
 




sydney

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Daniel Harris ...?? sounds like a ****....numerous contentious refereeing moments this weekend ....if the refs aren't up to it ****ing fix it like numerous other sports.
 




Stat Brother

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Nice of the Guardian to quote me.
 




Blue Valkyrie

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True.

I also think that we can trade the bad luck in the goal being allowed with the good luck that our winner v Newcastle was allowed - in fact we still come out a point up.
 


tronnogull

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It's so unlike Hughton to complain about a refereeing decision and use words like 'angry'. His usual even more understated style is more effective. If he had commented on the offside in the same manner as he did on the red card, something like ' it was offside and unfair on us but these things happen and we have to move on ', he would have made the same point just as strongly. I wonder if the extra pain comes because he felt that his defenders played well to push up to catch Bamba offside even in such chaotic goalmouth activity and were punished instead of rewarded. But this could also have been said in a non ' angry ' way.
 








Pavilionaire

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Harris is a brave man to criticise arguably the most honest, fair and respectful manager in the League.
 


One Love

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I was surprised at CH. He's usually very aware that you win some, you lose some, in terms of decisions.

Maybe he was angry with the whole refereeing performance in general but knew he couldn't say anything.
 


blockhseagull

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Jan 30, 2006
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What a load of rubbish.

So because we missed chances it means that CH can’t question an incorrect decision ?

Whether or not we should have been out of sight is irrelevant as to the lino making the right decision.
 




clippedgull

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From The Guardian's '10 Talking Points from the Weekend's Action':


2) Hughton’s complaining misses the point

Cardiff have made a miserable start to the season, and are second favourites to go down. Yet, after Brighton lost against them, Chris Hughton decided that what he really needed to do was criticise the officials. The reality is, the laws of football are badly drafted and interpreting them requires officials to perform tasks beyond the capability of the human eye. Big mistakes are inevitable. So though Sol Bamba was, as Hughton says, offside before scoring the winning goal, that is not the point. What is the point is that Brighton took an early lead, missed fine chances to extend it and then, after Cardiff equalised, Dale Stephens got himself sent off. Which is to say that Brighton lost not because the officials made mistakes but because Brighton made mistakes. Hughton and his players would do well to acknowledge that. Daniel Harris

Nobody will ever know, but Stephens tackle probably cost us at least 1 point. If's, buts, and maybe's

Hughton was miffed, that was obvious, but that was probably more with our performance than the incorrect decision.

Bring on VAR!!
 


Simster

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Jul 7, 2003
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Harris is a brave man to criticise arguably the most honest, fair and respectful manager in the League.

Brave? I call it moronic. As has already been pointed out, Hughton has highlighted the fact the officials cost us points and is not the sort to publicly bollock his players. This just marks Harris out as a complete nob by choosing to berate Hughton for daring to comment on the officials mistake at all.
 



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