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[Politics] Why isn't there a 'Straight Pride'?























jackanada

Well-known member
Jul 19, 2011
3,148
Brighton
Like Lewes bonfire this thread is a long standing tradition and the original malice is now distant history.
 








happypig

Staring at the rude boys
May 23, 2009
7,934
Eastbourne
I can just imagine a procession of dour, grumpy, middle-aged men shuffling west along the seafront (generally away from Dukes Mound) all grumbling about how great Brighton used to be.

As someone who doesn't much care for dancing, glitter or whistles, I'm IN.
 




Husty

Mooderator
Oct 18, 2008
11,973
I can just imagine a procession of dour, grumpy, middle-aged men shuffling west along the seafront (generally away from Dukes Mound) all grumbling about how great Brighton used to be.

As someone who doesn't much care for dancing, glitter or whistles, I'm IN.

A herd of gammons.
 




tonytowner

New member
Apr 12, 2010
41
There used to be “straight pride”. It was called Brighton Carnival. It was put on by a local voluntary group & raised money for local charities. Sadly it fizzled out due to lack of public, corporate, & civic support. That support now seems to be far more forthcoming when its linked to people’s sexual preferences
 


GT49er

Well-known member
Feb 1, 2009
46,466
Gloucester
That's different though - it's an attack on the idea of homosexuality, very much about being anti-gay, not about 'Straight Pride'. After all, Gay Pride isn't ant-straight is it? - it's just being proud of being gay - or supporting the gay community.
It's equally possible to be proud to be straight without attacking homosexuality, but I can't see a Straight Pride event ever happening; some of the participants would probably be there for homophobic reasons, and even if they weren't the event would be labelled as homophobic and there'd be all sorts of trouble.
 


nickbrighton

Well-known member
Feb 19, 2016
1,906
I am not a great fan of what Pride has become-I have copied this from facebook as it puts what I feel into words much better than I could ever hope

his morning someone posted locally on Facebook:
“I paid £300 for a ticket to the Britney Spears concert. I can’t go. Does anyone want it?”
But it isn’t an outrageously priced Britney concert, it is Brighton Pride. The question epitomises everything that has gone wrong with campaigning within the LGBT community and commercialisation of Pride.
We don’t parade through the streets to show off our latest costumes.
We don’t party in the park to get off our faces and go wild.
We don’t pay up to £300 so that fat cats can get fatter.
Pride began after the Stonewall riots in 1969 in New York after oppressive police actions against gays.
The movement grew rapidly internationally with the aim of changing the law and society to protect members of the LGBT community and to provide a safe environment where people would not feel threatened or ashamed by holding hands or kissing their partner in public just for one day a year - a right straight people often still take for granted.
Until recently Brighton Pride epitomised all that was good about grass roots campaigning. It was funded by donation. There was no fence excluding those without tickets. Everyone was welcome whatever their sexuality. Indeed, it was lovely to share a picnic with a straight family and their children there to enjoy the day and support our rights.
Sadly all that has gone. Pride has become a massive commercial event. LGBT organisations pay a premium to have a stand there. Minor charities which play a vital role locally are pushed out by the expense.
It has become an ‘exploit and grab the pink pound’ event. This year it is not even that. It is relegated to a ‘Britney’ concert.
Some readers might say ‘ah but you have full equality’.
Really?
Are you really safe to hold hands with your partner EVERYWHERE in the UK?
Is every community group accepting - Jewish, Moslem, evangelical Christian?
Can you marry in the State religion in a church?
Do you have the same rights in Northern Ireland?
Is homophobic crime on the increase?
Is ‘gay’ still an insult in school or on the football terraces?
Do kids still get bullied for being gay?
And what about the rest of the world? How much work is left to do in the former colonies, in Russia, Arab nations, even now in Italy, Poland, Hungary and the USA?
Our rights and freedoms are hard won with numerous battles remaining. It isn’t about a big party. It isn’t about making rich people richer.
Yes have fun and enjoy the Pride festivities. But NEVER forget Pride’s origins and those for whom we still must fight.
 


Herr Tubthumper

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Jul 11, 2003
59,190
The Fatherland
Well someone had to! :blush:

Maybe your time would have been better spent replying to the avalanche of responses your ignorant “Bevy” posts generated? Just a thought :smile:
 




Eeyore

Lord Donkey of Queen's Park
NSC Patreon
Apr 5, 2014
23,376
There used to be “straight pride”. It was called Brighton Carnival. It was put on by a local voluntary group & raised money for local charities. Sadly it fizzled out due to lack of public, corporate, & civic support. That support now seems to be far more forthcoming when its linked to people’s sexual preferences

Brighton Pride receives no council funding.

The Brighton Carnival (I assume you mean the Lions carnival) was never anywhere near the scale of Pride and neither had the same level of interest. It slowly fizzled out over the years.
 


BBassic

I changed this.
Jul 28, 2011
12,219
I am not a great fan of what Pride has become-I have copied this from facebook as it puts what I feel into words much better than I could ever hope

his morning someone posted locally on Facebook:
“I paid £300 for a ticket to the Britney Spears concert. I can’t go. Does anyone want it?”
But it isn’t an outrageously priced Britney concert, it is Brighton Pride. The question epitomises everything that has gone wrong with campaigning within the LGBT community and commercialisation of Pride.
We don’t parade through the streets to show off our latest costumes.
We don’t party in the park to get off our faces and go wild.
We don’t pay up to £300 so that fat cats can get fatter.
Pride began after the Stonewall riots in 1969 in New York after oppressive police actions against gays.
The movement grew rapidly internationally with the aim of changing the law and society to protect members of the LGBT community and to provide a safe environment where people would not feel threatened or ashamed by holding hands or kissing their partner in public just for one day a year - a right straight people often still take for granted.
Until recently Brighton Pride epitomised all that was good about grass roots campaigning. It was funded by donation. There was no fence excluding those without tickets. Everyone was welcome whatever their sexuality. Indeed, it was lovely to share a picnic with a straight family and their children there to enjoy the day and support our rights.
Sadly all that has gone. Pride has become a massive commercial event. LGBT organisations pay a premium to have a stand there. Minor charities which play a vital role locally are pushed out by the expense.
It has become an ‘exploit and grab the pink pound’ event. This year it is not even that. It is relegated to a ‘Britney’ concert.
Some readers might say ‘ah but you have full equality’.
Really?
Are you really safe to hold hands with your partner EVERYWHERE in the UK?
Is every community group accepting - Jewish, Moslem, evangelical Christian?
Can you marry in the State religion in a church?
Do you have the same rights in Northern Ireland?
Is homophobic crime on the increase?
Is ‘gay’ still an insult in school or on the football terraces?
Do kids still get bullied for being gay?
And what about the rest of the world? How much work is left to do in the former colonies, in Russia, Arab nations, even now in Italy, Poland, Hungary and the USA?
Our rights and freedoms are hard won with numerous battles remaining. It isn’t about a big party. It isn’t about making rich people richer.
Yes have fun and enjoy the Pride festivities. But NEVER forget Pride’s origins and those for whom we still must fight.

Can't argue with any of that really.

I was thinking the other day as all the shops and pubs put up their rainbow bunting just how involved they were in the LGBT community at any other time of the year. My guess would be not much.
 



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