[News] Toronto Van Attack

Klaas · Apr 26, 2018

Did I miss a thread on this? Bit odd there isn't one isn't it?

I thought I knew a little of toxic male internet sub cultures but reading about Incel types has been an eye opener. I'd heard the term but laughed at how ridiculous it sounded. If this tragic fool's actions are found to be down to the fact he couldn't get laid, then that's 2 major attacks linked to these losers.

Badger · Apr 26, 2018

I don't think there has been a thread on it. It happened about a mile north of my office on the same street. I was actually outside on the street at the time, so it was scary to hear about it and find out how close it was.

It's obviously hard to speculate about his motive given the investigation is still happening. From what I've been reading though, it seems like he was just a very disturbed man. Perhaps influenced by things he'd seen on the internet and there's a slightly cryptic message on his Facebook page in reference to misogyny. People who studied with him have said he was a bit of a recluse and walked around with his head down, not interacting with people.

W.C. · Apr 26, 2018

Badger said:
I don't think there has been a thread on it. It happened about a mile north of my office on the same street. I was actually outside on the street at the time, so it was scary to hear about it and find out how close it was.

It's obviously hard to speculate about his motive given the investigation is still happening. From what I've been reading though, it seems like he was just a very disturbed man. Perhaps influenced by things he'd seen on the internet and there's a slightly cryptic message on his Facebook page in reference to misogyny. People who studied with him have said he was a bit of a recluse and walked around with his head down, not interacting with people.

Glad you are ok. Pretty amazing work from the policeman who took him in without firing a shot. Guessing it might have happened differently elsewhere...

StonehamPark · Apr 26, 2018

I imagine a fair chunk of these attacks are committed by people who cant get laid, and it might play some part.

Joe Rogan talks about it with a neuro-scientist type on his podcast.

The_Viper · Apr 26, 2018

What causes someone with vaguely extreme views to tip over the edge and murder people indiscriminately? Whats going on in the world today that is causing behaviours like Incels?

The root cause of this isn't some nutter calling himself an incel, it's whats driving that behaviour in the first place.

Badger · Apr 26, 2018

W.C. said:
Glad you are ok. Pretty amazing work from the policeman who took him in without firing a shot. Guessing it might have happened differently elsewhere...

Yes, there has been a lot of praise for the police officer arresting him without firing a shot. It's difficult to see whether he was holding a gun or something else. It's obvious that he wanted it to end with him getting killed.

Of course there are some American "experts" saying it was irresponsible of the officer not to shoot the guy. He had a duty to protect the public by shooting him. Yep, that's 'merca for you.

schmunk · Apr 26, 2018

StonehamPark said:
I imagine a fair chunk of these attacks are committed by people who cant get laid, and it might play some part.

Joe Rogan talks about it with a neuro-scientist type on his podcast.

I recently read this only sort-of related, and now a bit old, but very interesting article about 4chan and it suggests similar themes for some of the West's other current woes: https://medium.com/@DaleBeran/4chan-the-skeleton-key-to-the-rise-of-trump-624e7cb798cb

Albion my Albion · Apr 26, 2018

Yes, what would have happened if a guy who had just run over several people in a vehicle decided that because the officer didn't shoot him decided to go on killing which he had done moments before. My say is TAKE the PROVEN MURDERER DOWN whatever it takes.

clippedgull · Apr 26, 2018

Although the cop made the correct decision in that the attacker had no weapon, he could have guessed incorrectly and paid the ultimate price himself.

As for the attacker, if he really wanted to die at the hands of the cops surely all he had to do was run at him rather than waiting to be arrested.

Machiavelli · Apr 26, 2018

It's also interesting at how restrained so many have been in describing this as terrorism. Just can't think why.

daveinprague · Apr 26, 2018

Machiavelli said:
It's also interesting at how restrained so many have been in describing this as terrorism. Just can't think why.

Quite.

Herr Tubthumper · Apr 26, 2018

Badger said:
Yes, there has been a lot of praise for the police officer arresting him without firing a shot. It's difficult to see whether he was holding a gun or something else. It's obvious that he wanted it to end with him getting killed.

Of course there are some American "experts" saying it was irresponsible of the officer not to shoot the guy. He had a duty to protect the public by shooting him. Yep, that's 'merca for you.

The day we start acting on gun advice from the US is the day we all give up.

Harry Wilson's tackle · Apr 26, 2018

Machiavelli said:
It's also interesting at how restrained so many have been in describing this as terrorism. Just can't think why.

Let me guess. This has absolutely no whiff of muslims associated with it?

Badger · Apr 26, 2018

Herr Tubthumper said:
The day we start acting on gun advice from the US is the day we all give up.

Quite. Especially advice based on a low quality video of the incident, which doesn't tell the whole story.

Psychobilly freakout · Apr 26, 2018

Harry Wilson's tackle said:
Let me guess. This has absolutely no whiff of muslims associated with it?

Nope none, are you disappointed ?

https://news.sky.com/story/misogynist-sect-may-have-inspired-toronto-suspect-11346902

I have noticed on facebook all those screaming terror attack are again taking down their posts, In many ways this is far worse.
I had never heard of this group before now, what a sick bunch of misogynistic male idiots, who blame women for their own inadequacies.

Wrong-Direction · Apr 26, 2018

There was no immediate thread as no one was immediately offended.

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Harry Wilson's tackle · Apr 26, 2018

Psychobilly freakout said:
Nope none, are you disappointed ?

https://news.sky.com/story/misogynist-sect-may-have-inspired-toronto-suspect-11346902

I have noticed on facebook all those screaming terror attack are again taking down their posts, In many ways this is far worse.
I had never heard of this group before now, what a sick bunch of misogynistic male idiots, who blame women for their own inadequacies.

Disappointed? Of course not. I'm one of those strange types who regard people who attack and kill strangers in the name of any cause as being bonkers, regardless of the 'cause' or 'claims'.

I have not been following closely and don't know who 'done it', but I am guessing that because we don't have pages on this from the usual NSC suspects that it isn't muslims. I shall follow your link now and have a read....

Harry Wilson's tackle · Apr 26, 2018

Harry Wilson's tackle said:
I shall follow your link now and have a read....

.....wow! Just....wow. He claims he killed people because he couldn't get his leg over, and there is an 'organisation' through which he could vent before his spree?

TBH, I have the same feelings about this character as I do about people who kill random people in the name of a religion. Nutters. I got hammered previously for saying the 'Isis' types are mentally ill, but I will say it again in the present case. Mentally ill (pretty much by definition).

For those who say 'without (militant) Islam we would have no Islamic terrorists' please now be even handed and admit that without attractive discerning women who refuse to **** dweebs, there would be no 'Incel terrorism'.

spring hall convert · Apr 26, 2018

I blame Star Wars and Super Mario.

StonehamPark · Apr 26, 2018

"The Incel Rebellion has already begun! We will overthrow all the Chads and Stacys! All hail the Supreme Gentleman Elliot Rodger!"

- These are the words Alek Minassian posted on Facebook just moments before he allegedly drove a van onto a packed pavement in Toronto on Monday, killing 10 people

-He said: "Girls gave their affection and sex and love to other men but never to me. I'm 22 years old, and I'm still a virgin. I've never even kissed a girl."

Stop this planet, I want to get off.

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