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[Albion] How much of our success is down to Chris Hughton?



Waynflete

Well-known member
Nov 10, 2009
1,105
I’ll prefix this by saying I think Hughton is an absolute legend, generally under-rated as a manager and apparently a thoroughly decent human too. I hope he stays with us for a long time.

However I’ve noticed with some irritation, particularly after yesterday’s result, that the default opinion of pundits is that our success in the past couple of years is entirely down him.

Kelly Cates on 606 yesterday was a particular example, talking about how he had turned the club around from relegation form in the Championship to promotion and now closing in on safety in the Prem.

No mention of the fact that we’d been in the playoffs the two previous seasons, nor that we consistently had some of the biggest home crowds in the Championship etc. A fleeting mention of Barber and Uncle Tony but only in passing.

It was like Hughton had arrived and waved a magic wand and suddenly we were promotion candidates. I was a bit surprised as usually Cates knows what she’s talking about.

So it got me wondering what other people think... is Hughton responsible for the lion’s share of our success? Or were we on a trajectory where we were heading up sooner or later anyway, and other managers could have done just as good a job?


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The Large One

Who's Next?
Jul 7, 2003
52,343
97.2FM
He is. He got the time higher than Poyet or Garcia did - and they were both very good managers.

But Hughton got a part-relegation squad facing the same way, and everyone playing for him. He sets the tone, the tactics, the work ethic and the effort. Of course others are involved, but he is the boss.
 


Harry Wilson's tackle

Harry Wilson's Tackle
NSC Patreon
Oct 8, 2003
49,347
Faversham
85%. The other 15% is due to the Lizard. Could be the other way round, of course.
 


Pantani

Il Pirata
Dec 3, 2008
5,445
Newcastle
I’ll prefix this by saying I think Hughton is an absolute legend, generally under-rated as a manager and apparently a thoroughly decent human too. I hope he stays with us for a long time.

However I’ve noticed with some irritation, particularly after yesterday’s result, that the default opinion of pundits is that our success in the past couple of years is entirely down him.

Kelly Cates on 606 yesterday was a particular example, talking about how he had turned the club around from relegation form in the Championship to promotion and now closing in on safety in the Prem.

No mention of the fact that we’d been in the playoffs the two previous seasons, nor that we consistently had some of the biggest home crowds in the Championship etc. A fleeting mention of Barber and Uncle Tony but only in passing.

It was like Hughton had arrived and waved a magic wand and suddenly we were promotion candidates. I was a bit surprised as usually Cates knows what she’s talking about.

So it got me wondering what other people think... is Hughton responsible for the lion’s share of our success? Or were we on a trajectory where we were heading up sooner or later anyway, and other managers could have done just as good a job?


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Managers get all of the shit if a club is doing badly. It is only right that they get the credit when it is going well. However, every longer discussion I hear about us goes on about the club as a whole, Bloom, Barber, Stadium and training ground. Think you are just trying to find something to be pissed off about for no reason.
 


Waynflete

Well-known member
Nov 10, 2009
1,105
Managers get all of the shit if a club is doing badly. It is only right that they get the credit when it is going well. However, every longer discussion I hear about us goes on about the club as a whole, Bloom, Barber, Stadium and training ground. Think you are just trying to find something to be pissed off about for no reason.

I’m not pissed off. I just thought it’s an interesting question.


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Weststander

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Aug 25, 2011
63,411
Withdean area
Cates was correct. After the previous failed play off attempts, the club reined in finances and lost most of the outstanding players for various reasons.

CH picked up the mess left by Burke, and transformed us from very nearly a League One club to mid table PL.

That was just a brief viewpoint from Cates for discussion. She wasn't attempting to give a detailed history of BHAFC under the Bloom chairmanship.

Money didn't buy us promotion, but obviously it gave us a chance. The Championship is littered with clubs that have/are throwing huge sums at promotion and have struggled - Massive, Derby, Villa, etc.
 


el punal

Well-known member
85%. The other 15% is due to the Lizard. Could be the other way round, of course.

Absolutely. Depends whether you're talking about the club or the team. Oversimplifying it, the club is Tony Bloom and Paul Barber's domain. The team is down to Chris Hughton. All in all just one big, happy family and long may it last. :albion2:
 








Baldseagull

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Jan 26, 2012
10,872
Crawley
I’ll prefix this by saying I think Hughton is an absolute legend, generally under-rated as a manager and apparently a thoroughly decent human too. I hope he stays with us for a long time.

However I’ve noticed with some irritation, particularly after yesterday’s result, that the default opinion of pundits is that our success in the past couple of years is entirely down him.

Kelly Cates on 606 yesterday was a particular example, talking about how he had turned the club around from relegation form in the Championship to promotion and now closing in on safety in the Prem.

No mention of the fact that we’d been in the playoffs the two previous seasons, nor that we consistently had some of the biggest home crowds in the Championship etc. A fleeting mention of Barber and Uncle Tony but only in passing.

It was like Hughton had arrived and waved a magic wand and suddenly we were promotion candidates. I was a bit surprised as usually Cates knows what she’s talking about.

So it got me wondering what other people think... is Hughton responsible for the lion’s share of our success? Or were we on a trajectory where we were heading up sooner or later anyway, and other managers could have done just as good a job?


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He deserves credit, as good as all the infrastructure is at our club these days, and excellent recruitment, it still needs a special character to bring all the parts together successfully. We had a budget about a quarter of Newcastles last season, if you are looking for perspective.
 




MrSnuggles

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Apr 29, 2016
529
I think the recruitment team deserves a big pat on the back for identifying players and then Chris moulds them into a team!
 


Beach Hut

Brighton Bhuna Boy
Jul 5, 2003
71,907
Living In a Box
The interesting thing is how we spent our time introducing the new recruits, not straight in but by stealth.

Face facts Schelotto was a disaster in the making at Huddersfield but played out of position and now look at him, Izy looked erratic and now look at him.

As for Locadia the best is yet to come.
 


jackanada

Well-known member
Jul 19, 2011
3,151
Brighton
As Chris himself would no doubt say it's about the whole team at the club.
We had our early Amex years continuing a "Trust Gus" policy, Oscar Garcia then came in did a decent Gus like job with Gus players playing a bit Gussy (though he was clearly less of an egotist).
Then came the Hyppia misstep. Okay Sammy was out his depth but also the rest of the non playing side hadn't really developed an identity or a strategy beyond the previous "try and keep Gus happy" model.
The arrival of Hughton was just a further step in a substantial back room rejig, and I also suspect the start of properly leveraging the data analysis of Starlizard to our advantage.

They said the great thing about giving Hughton all the credit is you really don't mind giving it to him, whereas for instance giving any credit to old red nose for the achievements of Manchester united greatly irks me.
 




clapham_gull

Legacy Fan
Aug 20, 2003
25,179
The interesting thing is how we spent our time introducing the new recruits, not straight in but by stealth.

Face facts Schelotto was a disaster in the making at Huddersfield but played out of position and now look at him, Izy looked erratic and now look at him.

As for Locadia the best is yet to come.

If he bizarrely gets a start before the end of the season.

Schelotta has been a revelation.

Football is a very odd career unlike any of ours on here, you prepare all week and are judged on how you perform in only 90 minutes.

Ourselves, we work all week and go to the football to "relax" and have some excitement to get over the week before.

There is a player who understands what football is all about but more importantly understands what we expect to see. Don't care whether he makes mistakes, just want to the effort concentrated into 90 mins.

Early days but for me fast becoming a cult hero. Looking forward to his first goal, the stadium will erupt.
 


Pavilionaire

Well-known member
Jul 7, 2003
30,522
I think Tony Bloom deserves a lot of credit for setting the tone and convincing good people to join the club, stay at the club, even return to the club and buy into the project. It all starts from the top.

I love Hughton but I believe if you took him out of the equation the club would still fundamentally be sound - losing him would be a blow but not a killer. However, if Bloom sold out to a US consortium we could be back in the Championship dogfight quicker than quicker.
 


Icy Gull

Back on the rollercoaster
Jul 5, 2003
72,015
We are a team, everyone, TB with the finance and business nous, PB for being PB , the recruitment team and of course CH. I admit to having doubts about CH and the recruitment team in early Jan. I was very wrong. CH has remained calm throughout and we are now reaping rhe benefits. We would not be where we are without him and the others, but he is in the front line. Don’t underestimate his influence.
 


Klaas

I've changed this
Nov 1, 2017
2,556
If he bizarrely gets a start before the end of the season.

Schelotta has been a revelation.

Football is a very odd career unlike any of ours on here, you prepare all week and are judged on how you perform in only 90 minutes.

Ourselves, we work all week and go to the football to "relax" and have some excitement to get over the week before.

There is a player who understands what football is all about but more importantly understands what we expect to see. Don't care whether he makes mistakes, just want to the effort concentrated into 90 mins.

Early days but for me fast becoming a cult hero. Looking forward to his first goal, the stadium will erupt.

I'm amazed some of us were questioning his nickname now that his storming runs down the pitch are becoming a common sight.
 




spence

British and Proud
Oct 15, 2014
9,811
Crawley
I’m not pissed off. I just thought it’s an interesting question.


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Certainly didn't come across as being pissed off. It's a good question.
 


seagull_special

Well-known member
Jun 9, 2008
2,929
Abu Dhabi
If CH left tomorrow, the infrastructure of the club, the support, mentality of the club as a whole would ensure that it had every opportunity to continue to thrive. The club has short term, mid term and long term plans and a contingency plan for every scenario. This is a well run club not just a team. Of course if he left everyone would be devastated and he deserves every word of praise bestowed on him but we would continue to be a great club.
 



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