[Politics] Liberal SJW professor owned by smart conservative student (and Milo)

W.C. · Oct 14, 2019

GT49er said:
Cobblers! Of course that can be a racist argument - large numbers of French and Germans (especially those in the lower economic quadrant, and therefore most likely to migrate, for economic reasons) are actually brown people these days! Westander's argument that some remainers are racists stands up perfectly. Do you really think that amongst a group of however million voters it was (15, 16million? - about a million less than leave, anyway IIRC) there wouldn't be some racists among them?

Barking.................it's just as preposterous as the lie that all leaver are racists.

Yes it is preposterous. Probably why it's almost exclusively used by leave voters to wallow in victim hood whilst completely ignoring the large and unpleasant rump of their vote who are bigots.
You ever called anyone out for bigotry on the leave side? Never seen you do so.
How about Generation Identity turning up at brexit marches?
Or our very own Das Reich?

GT49er · Oct 14, 2019

W.C. said:
Yes it is preposterous. Probably why it's almost exclusively used by leave voters to wallow in victim hood whilst completely ignoring the large and unpleasant rump of their vote who are bigots.
You ever called anyone out for bigotry on the leave side? Never seen you do so.
How about Generation Identity turning up at brexit marches?
Or our very own Das Reich?

You obviously haven't read enough of my posts - or more likely only registered the parts that you felt confirmed your own bigotry towards leavers. Now stop dribbling on about 'victim hood' and grow up - some people disagree with you - live with it..

Stato · Oct 14, 2019

Bob'n'weave said:
Not a fan then?

When opera singers turn up on the X Factor, the audience, who are not used to listening to opera are blown away just by the sound of it. However, these singers haven't made it to Glyndebourne through traditional routes because, when compared with other opera singers, they're not actually very good. Peterson is the Paul Potts of academics.

El Presidente · Oct 14, 2019

The Clamp said:
You're a very silly boy. Anyway, I have no intention of ever listening to him. I hate Jews.

In which case take a holiday from NSC for the rest of the year.

Simster · Oct 14, 2019

El Presidente said:
In which case take a holiday from NSC for the rest of the year.

Eh? You're banning him for 2 months for something he said 18 months ago?

I'm no particualr fan of The Clamp but Jesus Christ that is ridculously draconian.

schmunk · Oct 14, 2019

El Presidente said:
In which case take a holiday from NSC for the rest of the year.

With wider context, it was clearly intended as a joke, with right-wingers as the target - is a three month ban really necessary?

attila · Oct 14, 2019

Why is a thread with a title full of American far right buzzwords on an Albion message board?
It's the equivalent of referring to the Albion as 'a soccer team'.

Bob'n'weave · Oct 14, 2019

Stato said:
When opera singers turn up on the X Factor, the audience, who are not used to listening to opera are blown away just by the sound of it. However, these singers haven't made it to Glyndebourne through traditional routes because, when compared with other opera singers, they're not actually very good. Peterson is the Paul Potts of academics.

Ah, I see.

Sorry I must have confused some rank amateur pseudo academic with this guy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan_Peterson

My apologies.

W.C. · Oct 14, 2019

GT49er said:
You obviously haven't read enough of my posts

If only that were the case.

You'll pop up on literally any thread to cry about how nasty remainers are to you, it's about the sum of your argument for the leave case as far as I can tell.

And you'll have to forgive me, I do remember you speaking out passionately against racism. When Sinead O'Connor called white people disgusting or whatever it was.

El Presidente · Oct 14, 2019

Simster said:
Eh? You're banning him for 2 months for something he said 18 months ago?

I'm no particualr fan of The Clamp but Jesus Christ that is ridculously draconian.

Was it posted then, was reported to Mod Towers overnight, will take another look....now lifted!

W.C. · Oct 14, 2019

Stato said:
I am continually amazed that Jordan Peterson has managed to build a reputation for cleverness. I can only put it down to the confirmation bias of a certain sector of the internet that seems to be obsessed with proving it's own cleverness, presumably thinking that being clever can in some way compensate for a lack of empathy. It can't. Even if what was being said actually did stand up to logical reasoning, or was saying anything at all original.

This example is typical of his thought. Meandering metaphor, fallacious reasoning, misinterpretation of evidence to support claim, disconnected premise, statement about 'Western Civilisation' that would be equally applicable to any other culture held up as evidence of the 'special-ness' of Western thought. A concept that was very popular during the age of European empire building, but has seemed slightly undermined by the slavery, theft and genocide that it excused.

Yes. First time I listened to him I thought he sounded reasonable and intelligent. But after a couple of other interviews I heard of his I got sick of him answering questions by relating some myth or other for ten minutes.
And anyway, when I look at the people who think he's amazing...

Simster · Oct 14, 2019

GT49er said:
You obviously haven't read enough of my posts - or more likely only registered the parts that you felt confirmed your own bigotry towards leavers. Now stop dribbling on about 'victim hood' and grow up - some people disagree with you - live with it..

Eh? You point to a single post of yours where you call out bigotry of a fellow leaver.

You have never ever done that as far as I can tell. Happy to stand corrected.

Stato · Oct 14, 2019

Bob'n'weave said:
Ah, I see.

Sorry I must have confused some rank amateur pseudo academic with this guy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan_Peterson

My apologies.

I didn't say he wasn't an academic, he's just not a particularly bright, clear or insightful academic. Nobody who now champions him had ever heard of him until he called out the language and foibles of his students. He is feted because he gives an intellectual veneer to reactionary politics, but he is a psychologist, not a philosopher.

In some ways he is a bit like Richard Dawkins. Although Dawkins is a far more accomplished and significant figure in his chosen field. Dawkins writes very lucidly on zoology. To a scienceless fool like me, 'The Selfish Gene' and 'The Blind Watchmaker' read like ultimate wisdom, but then I haven't read anything else in the field, so have no comparator. When he wrote about religion in 'The God Delusion' it was easier to notice that his writing was swampy and his theories added no depth to the subject. Even though I shared a lot of his personal views about religion, his writing was blinkered by his polemic and he never really provided any understanding as to why the belief meme had become so widespread.

Whereas Dawkins blames religion, but doesn't understand it's subtleties, Peterson seems to think that Marxism is to blame for virtually all of societies ills, despite not being an economist nor a political philospher, nor showing any understanding of what Marxism actually is. He is championed by those who want a modern Edmund Burke to set up the bullwark against radical new languages and concepts, but like Dawkins, he has been dragged away from his subject and it shows.

Gaeten Bong is perfectly adequate when specialising as a defender, but when you ask him to be an overlapping wingback, you get the second half against Chelsea. I don't know a lot about Peterson's career as a pyschology professor, but his time as a social media 'intellectual' adds less to the sum of human understanding than Bongy's slowly delivered, aimless, deep crosses added to our chances of scoring at Stamford Bridge.

Mellotron · Oct 14, 2019

El Presidente said:
In which case take a holiday from NSC for the rest of the year.

To confirm;

Making what is clearly a daft joke, and probably should be pulled up/cautioned for it = immediate ban

Endlessly showing support for racist genocide in every single post you make = ah, just change their username to something a bit silly.

**** me. You're all over the place, Mods. Get a grip.

Mellotron · Oct 14, 2019

Stato said:
I am continually amazed that Jordan Peterson has managed to build a reputation for cleverness. I can only put it down to the confirmation bias of a certain sector of the internet that seems to be obsessed with proving it's own cleverness, presumably thinking that being clever can in some way compensate for a lack of empathy. It can't. Even if what was being said actually did stand up to logical reasoning, or was saying anything at all original.

This example is typical of his thought. Meandering metaphor, fallacious reasoning, misinterpretation of evidence to support claim, disconnected premise, statement about 'Western Civilisation' that would be equally applicable to any other culture held up as evidence of the 'special-ness' of Western thought. A concept that was very popular during the age of European empire building, but has seemed slightly undermined by the slavery, theft and genocide that it excused.

W.C. said:
Yes. First time I listened to him I thought he sounded reasonable and intelligent. But after a couple of other interviews I heard of his I got sick of him answering questions by relating some myth or other for ten minutes.
And anyway, when I look at the people who think he's amazing...

Agreed. On first viewing I thought he was decent.

But actually, there really isn't that much of substance there, clear logical fallacies throughout.

A stupid man's version of a clever man, and definitely one that would be revered by student-age alt-right types who likes having their prejudices supported by pseudo-science.

London Irish · Oct 14, 2019

Could someone translate this thread title into English and not some American alt right gibberish. You’re not in Kansas any more Dorothy

The Clamp · Oct 15, 2019

El Presidente said:
In which case take a holiday from NSC for the rest of the year.

Don't intend to argue the point but genuine question, When on earth did I post that?

It really was a joke, maybe I should have thought it out a bit more. I see the ban is lifted though, cheers.

GT49er · Oct 15, 2019

Simster said:
Eh? You point to a single post of yours where you call out bigotry of a fellow leaver.

You have never ever done that as far as I can tell. Happy to stand corrected.

Your research is still pathetically woeful. Do your own research - I don't have to do it for you. Of course, when you actually find something that doesn't reinforce your entrenched views, you'll have to decide how to process it. I've got a good idea which way you'll go ..................................

Simster · Oct 15, 2019

GT49er said:
Your research is still pathetically woeful. Do your own research - I don't have to do it for you. Of course, when you actually find something that doesn't reinforce your entrenched views, you'll have to decide how to process it. I've got a good idea which way you'll go ..................................

Amusing and predictable. The whole point is that anecdotally I haven't noticed you chastising the bigotry of a leaver, and I am a regular on the Brexit thread just as you are. And clearly I'm not alone am I? [MENTION=22296]W.C.[/MENTION]'s Sinead O'Connor example is hilariously on point. I didn't realise that was you - you white angry gammon types all merge into one in my mind after a while.

But to be honest, I'm not really fussed about "research" - I'm quite happy to stick with my original opinion thanks. You shouldn't feel the need to research for evidence of your own tolerance either. I just thought I'd give you the chance to prove me embarrassingly wrong, but it's obvious to everyone that you can't. :lolol:

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