[Albion] Points taken off the big 6 this season

A1X · Jan 22, 2018

Points taken off the big 6 teams this season among the bottom 10 in the PL thus far this season;

West Ham - 5 (7 games)
Watford - 5 (7)
Stoke - 4 (8)
Swansea - 4 (8)
Palace - 4 (8)
Huddersfield - 3 (6)
West Brom - 3 (7)
Bournemouth - 3 (8)
Southampton - 3 (8)
Newcastle - 1 (7)
Brighton - 0 (7)

The comparative failure to take any points off the big 6 teams in the division is really killing us when it comes to those games against our direct rivals where we've dropped points IMHO. At some point we need to turn one of them over if we're to have a hope of staying up.

Springal · Jan 22, 2018

We’ve only scored 1 goal haven’t we ? To negative and over awed. We respect the other teams to much and try to play for a draw

Is it PotG? · Jan 22, 2018

It's a game of two halves.

Surrey Phil · Jan 22, 2018

I think it’s partly inexperience. If we can stay up, we’ll know better how to set up against the big 6 in future seasons.

Thunder Bolt · Jan 22, 2018

How many of those games have been home or away?

Luke93 · Jan 22, 2018

Thunder Bolt said:
How many of those games have been home or away?

3 at Home.

United, Arsenal & Spurs left to play at home. City and Liverpool left to play away from home.

scousefan · Jan 23, 2018

Our best performance was away at United where we would have got something if we had finished better. Their goal was a fluke. Our big chance was Chelsea on Saturday. Two goals in the first ten minutes while we settled into a new defensive formation. Missed chances a d denied penalties.

OzMike · Jan 23, 2018

Is it PotG? said:
It's a game of two scalves.

Corrected for you.

Bold Seagull · Jan 23, 2018

Springal said:
We’ve only scored 1 goal haven’t we ? To negative and over awed. We respect the other teams to much and try to play for a draw

We've got people saying we need to be more negative in parking the bus on the Swansea v Liverpool thread!

Return of the Rev · Jan 23, 2018

But on the plus side how many shirts have we begged off the top 6? :moo:

Blue Valkyrie · Jan 23, 2018

Arsenal at home looks the shortest long-shot for a point.... if they don't turn up.

Bold Seagull · Jan 23, 2018

scousefan said:
Our best performance was away at United where we would have got something if we had finished better. Their goal was a fluke. Our big chance was Chelsea on Saturday. Two goals in the first ten minutes while we settled into a new defensive formation. Missed chances a d denied penalties.

Swansea got some real good fortune last night, even down to Firmino missing an absolute gift at the end. Deflected goals conceded against United and Spurs really hurt us when we'd defended so well, and to be honest, we've missed some great chances as well against Liverpool, Chelsea, Solly hitting the upright at Arsenal.

Thunder Bolt · Jan 23, 2018

Luke93 said:
3 at Home.

United, Arsenal & Spurs left to play at home. City and Liverpool left to play away from home.

I'm not just talking about us.

Mo Gosfield · Jan 23, 2018

scousefan said:
Our best performance was away at United where we would have got something if we had finished better. Their goal was a fluke. Our big chance was Chelsea on Saturday. Two goals in the first ten minutes while we settled into a new defensive formation. Missed chances a d denied penalties.

We had little or no chance v Chelsea.

They had decided that they needed to bounce back after a few draws recently ( they are still 12 games unbeaten ) and our new formation gave them every opportunity to hit us hard and early. Fans are forgetting the saves that Ryan made. Chelsea could easily have scored 4 in that first half and overall we could have conceded 6 or 7. Unlike Swansea, we were a complete shambles at the back and unless this improves dramatically, it will undermine us for the rest of the season.

Fans have been coming on here all season saying it doesn't matter if we lose all 12 games against the Big Six. Writing off the best part of a third of the PL season is arrogance personified. What gives us the right, a newly promoted club, with limited resources, the right to expect that we will get 38-40 points from all the others, who are obviously going to roll over and let their tummies be tickled. It baffles me why fans and management are treating these 12 games as if they are untouchable. All the others are nicking points off the bigger boys. Except us, of course, who seem to play into their hands every time we meet one of them, either through being set up wrongly, being too cautious/defensive or simply by gifting them points with unforced errors.

Failure to get anything from the remaining 5 games against the Big Six, will leave too many points to be gleaned from the other games. We will not get 15 points from 9 games.

neilbard · Jan 23, 2018

A1X said:
Points taken off the big 6 teams this season among the bottom 10 in the PL thus far this season;

West Ham - 5 (7 games)
Watford - 5 (7)
Stoke - 4 (8)
Swansea - 4 (8)
Palace - 4 (8)
Huddersfield - 3 (6)
West Brom - 3 (7)
Bournemouth - 3 (8)
Southampton - 3 (8)
Newcastle - 1 (7)
Brighton - 0 (7)

The comparative failure to take any points off the big 6 teams in the division is really killing us when it comes to those games against our direct rivals where we've dropped points IMHO. At some point we need to turn one of them over if we're to have a hope of staying up.

I disagree, we don't need to beat a top 6 side to stay up. We have already taken 21 points from those teams around us.

We are only 3 points from 10th, Swansea, West Ham, Huddersfield and Leicester all have to come to the Amex, these are the crucial games if we are going to survive.

Icy Gull · Jan 23, 2018

Our time will come...maybe

Mo Gosfield · Jan 23, 2018

neilbard said:
I disagree, we don't need to beat a top 6 side to stay up. We have already taken 21 points from those teams around us.

We are only 3 points from 10th, Swansea, West Ham, Huddersfield and Leicester all have to come to the Amex, these are the crucial games if we are going to survive.

But you are heaping massive pressure on just a few games.
Two wins, a draw and a defeat from these four games will not be enough if we are shedding points elsewhere. We have taken 8 points out of the last 39 and people are suddenly expecting us to rattle off a string of home victories ( 3 home wins out of 12 played ) We need some momentum and that will only come from nicking points away from home as well ( 1 point out the last 18 and no goals scored ) and that must include the odd point pinched from one of the Big Boys.

Mo Gosfield · Jan 23, 2018

Icy Gull said:
Our time will come...maybe

Cannot, in all seriousness see anything from City, United or Liverpool. That leaves Arsenal and Tottenham at home. The Gunners are a massive bogey to us and have already rocked up twice to the Amex and won ( admittedly when we were in the Championship ) If a lack-lustre Spurs turn up, we might have a chance of nicking a point but I am not holding my breath.
It is a big maybe......

Quinney · Jan 23, 2018

You’d have thought Swansea put on a tactical master class judging from some of the comments on here and in the media. Liverpool missed several golden opportunities despite playing way below par. Swansea parked the proverbial bus and rode their luck massively. No reason for us to throw the towel in just yet.

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neilbard · Jan 23, 2018

neilbard said:
I disagree, we don't need to beat a top 6 side to stay up. We have already taken 21 points from those teams around us.

We are only 3 points from 10th, Swansea, West Ham, Huddersfield and Leicester all have to come to the Amex, these are the crucial games if we are going to survive.

Mo Gosfield said:
But you are heaping massive pressure on just a few games.
Two wins, a draw and a defeat from these four games will not be enough if we are shedding points elsewhere. We have taken 8 points out of the last 39 and people are suddenly expecting us to rattle off a string of home victories ( 3 home wins out of 12 played ) We need some momentum and that will only come from nicking points away from home as well ( 1 point out the last 18 and no goals scored ) and that must include the odd point pinched from one of the Big Boys.

But we still don't need to beat a top 6 side, our away chances are Southampton, Stoke, Everton, Burnley and Palace.

I do agree with you to a certain extent about the dire form we are in at the moment, but to be fair the club are trying to address this with the likes of Locadia and hopefully another couple of additions come Jan 31st.

We all knew at the start of the season it would be a relegation battle, and that is what its turned into. But this obsession that we have to beat a top 6 side is nonsense,

Take as many points from the others as we can. Its no good beating Arsenal then losing the next four or five games.

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