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Glenn Murray's Premier League Stats and how they compare



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Hove / Παρος
Apr 7, 2006
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I've been thinking a lot about how our dear old Glenn will go on next season - my memory from when he was playing in the Premier League previously was that he scored frequently against some big teams. I thought I'd have a look at his stats for the three seasons he played in the Premier League.

I always think that strike rate (minutes per goal) is a fair way to compare strikers as just looking at goals scored doesn't show the full picture.

Looking at these initial stats we can see that he has consistently improved his strike rate over each of the three seasons.

Crystal Palace 2013-14
Starts 3 - Sub Appearances 11 - Minutes Played 394 - Goals 1 - Mins / Goal 394

Crystal Palace 2014-15
Starts 9 - Sub Appearances 8 - Minutes Played 868 - Goals 7 - Mins / Goal 265

Bournemouth 2015-16
Starts 8 - Sub Appearances 3 - Minutes Played 795 - Goals 5 - Mins / Goal 186

Average over 3 seasons
Minutes Played 685 - 4.3 goals - Average Mins / Goal 281

The table below shows the top scorers in last years Premier League ranked by strike rate. In the table I have included Glenn Murray from each season and also his average of the three seasons.

1. Michy Batshuyai - 5 goals - 47m/goal
2. Harry Kane - 29 goals - 87m/goal
3. Gabriel Jesus - 7 goals - 93m/goal
4. Olivier Giroud - 12 goals - 99m/goal
5. Sergio Aguero - 20 goals - 120m/goal
6. Romelu Lukaku - 25 goals - 130m/goal
7. Alexis Sanches - 24 goals - 134m/goal
8. Zlatan Ibrahimovich - 17 goals - 143m/goal
9. Diego Costa - 20 goals - 154m/goal
10. Charlie Austin - 6 goals - 156m/goal
11. Fernando Lorente - 15 goals - 164m/goal
12. Josh King - 16 goals - 170m/goal
13. Jay Rodriguez - 5 goals - 176m/goal
14. Islam Slimani - 7 goals - 182m/goal
Genn Murray 15-16 Premier League - 5 goals - 186m/goal
15. Andy Carrol - 7 goals - 188m/goal
16. Peter Crouch - 7 goals - 190m/goal
17. Sam Vokes - 10 goals - 205m/goal
18. Divok Origi - 7 goals - 208m/goal
19. Christian Benteke - 15 goals - 209m/goal
20. Jamie Vardy - 13 goals - 216m/goal
21. Jermaine Defoe - 15 goals - 221m/goal
22. Callum Wilson - 6 goals - 227m/goal
23. Benik Afobe - 6 goals 241m/goal
24. Andre Gray - 9 goals - 252m/goal
Glenn Murray 14-15 Premier League - 7 goals - 265m/goal
Genn Murray Premier League average - 4.3 goals - 281m/goal

25. Troy Deeney - 10 goals - 294m/goal
26. Ashley Barnes - 6 goals - 296m/goal
27. Wayne Rooney - 5 goals 308m/goal
28. Alvaro Negredo - 9 goals - 319m/goal
29. Marcus Rashford - 5 goals - 340m/goal
30. Solomon Rondon - 8 goals - 362m/goal
Genn Murray 13-14 Premier League - 1 goal - 394m/goal

So what does this tell us? Well that Glenny Murray is better than Wayne Rooney (who isn't as good as Ashley Barnes) obviously! Jokes aside I think it shows that Glenn should be more than capable of holding his own this coming season. I'm not sure we'll see more than around 60m per game from Glenn as it'll be hard work. If he can get anywhere near his stats from 2014-15 we should be looking at a return of around 12-13 goals next year.

Looking at seasons past, and this is pure speculation, it seems that we'll need at least 40 goals to beat relegation. That leaves AT LEAST 27 goals to share around the rest of the team.

Knockaert: 10
Hemed: 5
March: 5
Baldock: 2
Murphy: 2
Stephens: 1
Dunk: 1
Duffy: 1

Total: 27!

That may do it? But think about how much easier if we could add another 10-15 goal a season striker!

Hope you enjoyed the stats, and hope I haven't offended any of the more sensitive posters on here by "speculating"!

:albion2: :banana:
 


DFL JCL

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Jan 8, 2016
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Interesting stuff, not sure if I have misunderstood but based on your numbers I make the cp 2014-2015 average minutes per goal 124mins (868/7 =124mins)
I might have got that totally wrong (it is 4am) but if I'm right that must guarantee us premier league survival right? ;-)
 


Super Steve Earle

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Feb 23, 2009
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North of Brighton
Ⓩ-Ⓐ-Ⓜ-Ⓞ-Ⓡ-Ⓐ;8047118 said:
I've been thinking a lot about how our dear old Glenn will go on next season - my memory from when he was playing in the Premier League previously was that he scored frequently against some big teams. I thought I'd have a look at his stats for the three seasons he played in the Premier League.

I always think that strike rate (minutes per goal) is a fair way to compare strikers as just looking at goals scored doesn't show the full picture.

Looking at these initial stats we can see that he has consistently improved his strike rate over each of the three seasons.

Crystal Palace 2013-14
Starts 3 - Sub Appearances 11 - Minutes Played 394 - Goals 1 - Mins / Goal 394

Crystal Palace 2014-15
Starts 9 - Sub Appearances 8 - Minutes Played 868 - Goals 7 - Mins / Goal 265

Bournemouth 2015-16
Starts 8 - Sub Appearances 3 - Minutes Played 795 - Goals 5 - Mins / Goal 186

Average over 3 seasons
Minutes Played 685 - 4.3 goals - Average Mins / Goal 281

The table below shows the top scorers in last years Premier League ranked by strike rate. In the table I have included Glenn Murray from each season and also his average of the three seasons.

1. Michy Batshuyai - 5 goals - 47m/goal
2. Harry Kane - 29 goals - 87m/goal
3. Gabriel Jesus - 7 goals - 93m/goal
4. Olivier Giroud - 12 goals - 99m/goal
5. Sergio Aguero - 20 goals - 120m/goal
6. Romelu Lukaku - 25 goals - 130m/goal
7. Alexis Sanches - 24 goals - 134m/goal
8. Zlatan Ibrahimovich - 17 goals - 143m/goal
9. Diego Costa - 20 goals - 154m/goal
10. Charlie Austin - 6 goals - 156m/goal
11. Fernando Lorente - 15 goals - 164m/goal
12. Josh King - 16 goals - 170m/goal
13. Jay Rodriguez - 5 goals - 176m/goal
14. Islam Slimani - 7 goals - 182m/goal
Genn Murray 15-16 Premier League - 5 goals - 186m/goal
15. Andy Carrol - 7 goals - 188m/goal
16. Peter Crouch - 7 goals - 190m/goal
17. Sam Vokes - 10 goals - 205m/goal
18. Divok Origi - 7 goals - 208m/goal
19. Christian Benteke - 15 goals - 209m/goal
20. Jamie Vardy - 13 goals - 216m/goal
21. Jermaine Defoe - 15 goals - 221m/goal
22. Callum Wilson - 6 goals - 227m/goal
23. Benik Afobe - 6 goals 241m/goal
24. Andre Gray - 9 goals - 252m/goal
Glenn Murray 14-15 Premier League - 7 goals - 265m/goal
Genn Murray Premier League average - 4.3 goals - 281m/goal

25. Troy Deeney - 10 goals - 294m/goal
26. Ashley Barnes - 6 goals - 296m/goal
27. Wayne Rooney - 5 goals 308m/goal
28. Alvaro Negredo - 9 goals - 319m/goal
29. Marcus Rashford - 5 goals - 340m/goal
30. Solomon Rondon - 8 goals - 362m/goal
Genn Murray 13-14 Premier League - 1 goal - 394m/goal

So what does this tell us? Well that Glenny Murray is better than Wayne Rooney (who isn't as good as Ashley Barnes) obviously! Jokes aside I think it shows that Glenn should be more than capable of holding his own this coming season. I'm not sure we'll see more than around 60m per game from Glenn as it'll be hard work. If he can get anywhere near his stats from 2014-15 we should be looking at a return of around 12-13 goals next year.

Looking at seasons past, and this is pure speculation, it seems that we'll need at least 40 goals to beat relegation. That leaves AT LEAST 27 goals to share around the rest of the team.

Knockaert: 10
Hemed: 5
March: 5
Baldock: 2
Murphy: 2
Stephens: 1
Dunk: 1
Duffy: 1

Total: 27!

That may do it? But think about how much easier if we could add another 10-15 goal a season striker!

Hope you enjoyed the stats, and hope I haven't offended any of the more sensitive posters on here by "speculating"!

:albion2: :banana:

Nice speculating! I don't think Knockie will score 10, but I think Tomer will score more than 5 plus Gross, Suttner and the much maligned Skalak will register maybe 7 or 8 between them. If you're right and I'm right, we could be ok to stay up.
 


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Hove / Παρος
Apr 7, 2006
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Hove / Παρος
Interesting stuff, not sure if I have misunderstood but based on your numbers I make the cp 2014-2015 average minutes per goal 124mins (868/7 =124mins)
I might have got that totally wrong (it is 4am) but if I'm right that must guarantee us premier league survival right? ;-)

You're right! But for some reason I can't go back and edit my original post :facepalm:
 


whitelion

New member
Dec 16, 2003
12,828
Southwick
Ⓩ-Ⓐ-Ⓜ-Ⓞ-Ⓡ-Ⓐ;8047118 said:
I've been thinking a lot about how our dear old Glenn will go on next season - my memory from when he was playing in the Premier League previously was that he scored frequently against some big teams. I thought I'd have a look at his stats for the three seasons he played in the Premier League.

I always think that strike rate (minutes per goal) is a fair way to compare strikers as just looking at goals scored doesn't show the full picture.

Looking at these initial stats we can see that he has consistently improved his strike rate over each of the three seasons.

Crystal Palace 2013-14
Starts 3 - Sub Appearances 11 - Minutes Played 394 - Goals 1 - Mins / Goal 394

Crystal Palace 2014-15
Starts 9 - Sub Appearances 8 - Minutes Played 868 - Goals 7 - Mins / Goal 265

Bournemouth 2015-16
Starts 8 - Sub Appearances 3 - Minutes Played 795 - Goals 5 - Mins / Goal 186

Average over 3 seasons
Minutes Played 685 - 4.3 goals - Average Mins / Goal 281

The table below shows the top scorers in last years Premier League ranked by strike rate. In the table I have included Glenn Murray from each season and also his average of the three seasons.

1. Michy Batshuyai - 5 goals - 47m/goal
2. Harry Kane - 29 goals - 87m/goal
3. Gabriel Jesus - 7 goals - 93m/goal
4. Olivier Giroud - 12 goals - 99m/goal
5. Sergio Aguero - 20 goals - 120m/goal
6. Romelu Lukaku - 25 goals - 130m/goal
7. Alexis Sanches - 24 goals - 134m/goal
8. Zlatan Ibrahimovich - 17 goals - 143m/goal
9. Diego Costa - 20 goals - 154m/goal
10. Charlie Austin - 6 goals - 156m/goal
11. Fernando Lorente - 15 goals - 164m/goal
12. Josh King - 16 goals - 170m/goal
13. Jay Rodriguez - 5 goals - 176m/goal
14. Islam Slimani - 7 goals - 182m/goal
Genn Murray 15-16 Premier League - 5 goals - 186m/goal
15. Andy Carrol - 7 goals - 188m/goal
16. Peter Crouch - 7 goals - 190m/goal
17. Sam Vokes - 10 goals - 205m/goal
18. Divok Origi - 7 goals - 208m/goal
19. Christian Benteke - 15 goals - 209m/goal
20. Jamie Vardy - 13 goals - 216m/goal
21. Jermaine Defoe - 15 goals - 221m/goal
22. Callum Wilson - 6 goals - 227m/goal
23. Benik Afobe - 6 goals 241m/goal
24. Andre Gray - 9 goals - 252m/goal
Glenn Murray 14-15 Premier League - 7 goals - 265m/goal
Genn Murray Premier League average - 4.3 goals - 281m/goal

25. Troy Deeney - 10 goals - 294m/goal
26. Ashley Barnes - 6 goals - 296m/goal
27. Wayne Rooney - 5 goals 308m/goal
28. Alvaro Negredo - 9 goals - 319m/goal
29. Marcus Rashford - 5 goals - 340m/goal
30. Solomon Rondon - 8 goals - 362m/goal
Genn Murray 13-14 Premier League - 1 goal - 394m/goal

So what does this tell us? Well that Glenny Murray is better than Wayne Rooney (who isn't as good as Ashley Barnes) obviously! Jokes aside I think it shows that Glenn should be more than capable of holding his own this coming season. I'm not sure we'll see more than around 60m per game from Glenn as it'll be hard work. If he can get anywhere near his stats from 2014-15 we should be looking at a return of around 12-13 goals next year.

Looking at seasons past, and this is pure speculation, it seems that we'll need at least 40 goals to beat relegation. That leaves AT LEAST 27 goals to share around the rest of the team.

Knockaert: 10
Hemed: 5
March: 5
Baldock: 2
Murphy: 2
Stephens: 1
Dunk: 1
Duffy: 1

Total: 27!

That may do it? But think about how much easier if we could add another 10-15 goal a season striker!

Hope you enjoyed the stats, and hope I haven't offended any of the more sensitive posters on here by "speculating"!

:albion2: :banana:

Interesting stuff, not sure if I have misunderstood but based on your numbers I make the cp 2014-2015 average minutes per goal 124mins (868/7 =124mins)
I might have got that totally wrong (it is 4am) but if I'm right that must guarantee us premier league survival right? ;-)

Ⓩ-Ⓐ-Ⓜ-Ⓞ-Ⓡ-Ⓐ;8047142 said:
You're right! But for some reason I can't go back and edit my original post :facepalm:

The only Strike Rate correct is 2013-14.

I should invest in a new calculator.
 




cjd

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Jun 22, 2006
6,069
La Rochelle
The importance of how many goals we score this season cannot over stressed and I think the club should be far more concerned about our lack of marquee strikers.


I can't remember how many points we get if we lose a game 14 - 13 ?
 


1234andcounting

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Mar 31, 2008
1,609
The importance of how many goals we score this season cannot over stressed and I think the club should be far more concerned about our lack of marquee strikers.

I suppose it depends on how big the marquee is. Usually they have bigger surface areas than goals so I would prefer someone more accurate.
 


Commander

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Ⓩ-Ⓐ-[emoji713 said:
-Ⓞ-Ⓡ-Ⓐ;8047118]I've been thinking a lot about how our dear old Glenn will go on next season - my memory from when he was playing in the Premier League previously was that he scored frequently against some big teams. I thought I'd have a look at his stats for the three seasons he played in the Premier League.

I always think that strike rate (minutes per goal) is a fair way to compare strikers as just looking at goals scored doesn't show the full picture.

Looking at these initial stats we can see that he has consistently improved his strike rate over each of the three seasons.

Crystal Palace 2013-14
Starts 3 - Sub Appearances 11 - Minutes Played 394 - Goals 1 - Mins / Goal 394

Crystal Palace 2014-15
Starts 9 - Sub Appearances 8 - Minutes Played 868 - Goals 7 - Mins / Goal 265

Bournemouth 2015-16
Starts 8 - Sub Appearances 3 - Minutes Played 795 - Goals 5 - Mins / Goal 186

Average over 3 seasons
Minutes Played 685 - 4.3 goals - Average Mins / Goal 281

The table below shows the top scorers in last years Premier League ranked by strike rate. In the table I have included Glenn Murray from each season and also his average of the three seasons.

1. Michy Batshuyai - 5 goals - 47m/goal
2. Harry Kane - 29 goals - 87m/goal
3. Gabriel Jesus - 7 goals - 93m/goal
4. Olivier Giroud - 12 goals - 99m/goal
5. Sergio Aguero - 20 goals - 120m/goal
6. Romelu Lukaku - 25 goals - 130m/goal
7. Alexis Sanches - 24 goals - 134m/goal
8. Zlatan Ibrahimovich - 17 goals - 143m/goal
9. Diego Costa - 20 goals - 154m/goal
10. Charlie Austin - 6 goals - 156m/goal
11. Fernando Lorente - 15 goals - 164m/goal
12. Josh King - 16 goals - 170m/goal
13. Jay Rodriguez - 5 goals - 176m/goal
14. Islam Slimani - 7 goals - 182m/goal
Genn Murray 15-16 Premier League - 5 goals - 186m/goal
15. Andy Carrol - 7 goals - 188m/goal
16. Peter Crouch - 7 goals - 190m/goal
17. Sam Vokes - 10 goals - 205m/goal
18. Divok Origi - 7 goals - 208m/goal
19. Christian Benteke - 15 goals - 209m/goal
20. Jamie Vardy - 13 goals - 216m/goal
21. Jermaine Defoe - 15 goals - 221m/goal
22. Callum Wilson - 6 goals - 227m/goal
23. Benik Afobe - 6 goals 241m/goal
24. Andre Gray - 9 goals - 252m/goal
Glenn Murray 14-15 Premier League - 7 goals - 265m/goal
Genn Murray Premier League average - 4.3 goals - 281m/goal

25. Troy Deeney - 10 goals - 294m/goal
26. Ashley Barnes - 6 goals - 296m/goal
27. Wayne Rooney - 5 goals 308m/goal
28. Alvaro Negredo - 9 goals - 319m/goal
29. Marcus Rashford - 5 goals - 340m/goal
30. Solomon Rondon - 8 goals - 362m/goal
Genn Murray 13-14 Premier League - 1 goal - 394m/goal

So what does this tell us? Well that Glenny Murray is better than Wayne Rooney (who isn't as good as Ashley Barnes) obviously! Jokes aside I think it shows that Glenn should be more than capable of holding his own this coming season. I'm not sure we'll see more than around 60m per game from Glenn as it'll be hard work. If he can get anywhere near his stats from 2014-15 we should be looking at a return of around 12-13 goals next year.

Looking at seasons past, and this is pure speculation, it seems that we'll need at least 40 goals to beat relegation. That leaves AT LEAST 27 goals to share around the rest of the team.

Knockaert: 10
Hemed: 5
March: 5
Baldock: 2
Murphy: 2
Stephens: 1
Dunk: 1
Duffy: 1

Total: 27!

That may do it? But think about how much easier if we could add another 10-15 goal a season striker!

Hope you enjoyed the stats, and hope I haven't offended any of the more sensitive posters on here by "speculating"!

:albion2: :banana:

Murray is the perfect striker to do the job for us that Hemed did last year. We just need to find someone to do the job that Murray did last year.
 




Mental Lental

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Jul 5, 2003
2,271
Shiki-shi, Saitama
This whole obsession with strikers is getting on my pip. People are so backward thinking and don't realise the game has moved since the 80s and the halcyon days of 4-4-2. Take a look at the really successful teams...All the top the 4 in the prem last year, Barcelona and Real Madrid among others rely on INSIDE FORWARDS not strikers. The system Hughton is going for appears to be a 4-5-1 (or 4-4-1-1) which springs to a 4-3-3 on the counterattack. Our lone "striker" is more of a false 9 and he is a target man type who can hold up the ball and be strong in the air to provide passes and flick on to our inside forwards (Knocky and March) when they cut in from the wings and run at goal. Defenders hate dealing with this and the inside forward once he's run at them has a choice of having a pop, flashing it in to the striker or lay it back to the supporting AMC/support striker (Baldock/Gross). This means you get goals more evenly spread between our "striker" and the wingers/inside forwards and the AMC/support striker. We need a strong striker who holds up the ball and can be expected to get 10-15 goals. As the OP posted we definitely have this in Murray and maybe Hemed if he can step up. We can then look at the likes of Knockaert and March to get near the 10 mark and Baldock/Gross to chip in with 8 or 9...add on the few we'll get from Dunk/Murphy headers from set pieces and a few goals from the others and you've easily reached the 40+ goals you need.

What we really need is a back up or even improvement on March for the left wing. Hopefully this lad Brown can cover for knocky on the right. I'd like to see 2 more wingers actually as I don't think Skalak can fill the inside forward role adequately. He's more a Beckhamesque ball-playing midfielder.

I predict we'll get ONE more striker and we'll shell out on him too. Maybe not in time for the first game but definitely before the deadline. Don't be surprised if it isn't the nippy fox-in-the box type people are mistakenly calling for but another big targetman either.
 
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Mental Lental

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Jul 5, 2003
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Shiki-shi, Saitama
What's an inside forward?

Attacking wingers who rather than run to the byline and get a cross in, cut inside and run towards goal and attempt to score or lay-off to a team-mate in a goalscoring position. The best teams invert them (lefty on the right wing, righty on the left). Knockaert is a textbook inside forward, March seems pretty good at it. Skalak is not so good, he seems more comfortable crossing it from deep than running at the defense. Barcelona are the best example of a team that uses this method:

http://formation-y.com/en/formation/barcelona.html

Our formation will be similar when we counter, something like this....

https://www.buildlineup.com/shared/59819bcd8dd5dd25d4d1f454

But it's a 4-5-1 on paper while the opposition has possession.

https://www.buildlineup.com/shared/59819e0b8dd5dd25d4d1f456

So basically yes we need goals. We don't necessarily need traditional strikers. Murray is fine as long as he stays fit for the opening games. Not sure Hemed is good enough but he deserves a chance. We are gonna need 3 strikers for the 1 position though and I can see us spending big on one. Happy to wait til deadline day cos I think Murray is good enough until then.
 
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Harry Wilson's tackle

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The last season ManU played under old red face they has no 'recognised striker' (not sure what Rooney is supposed to be, but anyway). How did they manage? Er, they won the lague.

Anything blow 10th will be for me this season a disappointment even with the current squad, and despite my having predicted a last place finish only a few days ago. Although I may well be wrong.

Top, top calculations by the OP by the way, which as we all know, is far better than top. :cheers:
 








Mental Lental

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Jul 5, 2003
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GM is more than decent enough lets not worry about that

We just need another striker in with a yard of pace

If we intend to play 4-4-2 at any point then yes. If we're sticking to 4-5-1>4-3-3 then we need cover for the target man and to address the shortfall in attacking wingers (inside forwards) first. With Baldock injury prone I would concede we need another support striker/amc with pace though. Doesn't need to be an out and out striker.
 
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Harry Wilson's tackle

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They had Robin van Persie who scored 26 goals. If he's not a recognised striker I don't know what is!

Very true. But, his last season at the Arse aside, he was a perennial sicknote. Anyway, I was just quoting the meejah at the time. It was a meme. Probably started by Roy Keane. :lolol:
 











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