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Weststander · Jun 11, 2017

Labour to win.

Corbyn will be 73 then, so the PM will be a younger member of Momentum. Opportunists such as Umunna won't get the role, due to their moderate agenda.

Stato · Jun 11, 2017

Weststander said:
Labour to win.

Corbyn will be 73 then, so the PM will be a younger member of Momentum. Opportunists such as Umunna won't get the role, due to being Palace.

Corrected for you.

lawros left foot · Jun 11, 2017

Weststander said:
Labour to win.

Corbyn will be 73 then, so the PM will be a younger member of Momentum. Opportunists such as Umunna won't get the role, due to their moderate agenda.

This assumes this parliament will last five years. I would say, Labour to retain power in 2023.

Eeyore · Jun 11, 2017

lawros left foot said:
This assumes this parliament will last five years. I would say, Labour to retain power in 2023.

Well, this. I can't see this parliament lasting a full term.

Weststander · Jun 11, 2017

I thought that about Labour's in 74-79 and Major's 92-97, both relying on the votes of others on a vote by vote basis, especially in the latter years. Both parties suffering from internal division.

I don't know how they did it, but they lasted the full 5 years.

Ernest · Jun 11, 2017

Weststander said:
I thought that about Labour's in 74-79 and Major's 92-97, both relying on the votes of others on a vote by vote basis, especially in the latter years. Both parties suffering from internal division.

I don't know how they did it, but they lasted the full 5 years.

Major had a majority despite half his party hating his guts over Europe

Bozza · Jun 11, 2017

Markets are going against another election this year.

Weststander · Jun 11, 2017

Ernest said:
Major had a majority despite half his party hating his guts over Europe

Just the half?

Because of adverse bielection results, he lost it, as did Wilson in the seventies.

Ernest · Jun 11, 2017

Weststander said:
Just the half?

Because of adverse bielection results, he lost it, as did Wilson in the seventies.

But Major had a majority to get his government up and running, May hasn't even got an agreement sorted yet.

StonehamPark · Jun 11, 2017

Bozza said:
Markets are going against another election this year.

Yet the favourite for the next Election is 2017?

Weststander · Jun 11, 2017

Ernest said:
But Major had a majority to get his government up and running, May hasn't even got an agreement sorted yet.

In 2010 at this same stage Brown was still PM, negotiating with Ashdown/Clegg for a coalition.

Just saying, but that really was the timing of events during the days following a hung parliament.

knocky1 · Jun 11, 2017

Bozza said:
Markets are going against another election this year.

I'll be prepared to listen to a man with £5,134.76 in his betting account but I'm not promising anything on a Sunday.

Wrong-Direction · Jun 11, 2017

There'll be nothing left in 5 years after everything's been sold off.

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Bozza · Jun 11, 2017

StonehamPark said:
Yet the favourite for the next Election is 2017?

Yep but only a c35% chance though.

knocky1 · Jun 11, 2017

Wrong-Direction said:
There'll be nothing left in 5 years after everything's been sold off.

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You're not old enough to make political comments.

lawros left foot · Jun 11, 2017

Bozza said:
Yep but only a c35% chance though.

The bookies have got nothing right in the last two elections, and the referendum.

StonehamPark · Jun 11, 2017

Bozza said:
Yep but only a c35% chance though.

Based on £6k in the market. :lolol:

We both use the exchanges enough to know they mean f. all!

Harry Wilson's tackle · Jun 11, 2017

Ernest said:
Major had a majority despite half his party hating his guts over Europe

Sadly they hated his guts because he is a working class oik (in their vernacular, circa early 90s - and I admit this is no longer an issue in the tory party, even though it, like 'class war' in labour, still exists).

Looking back on him now, he reminds me a lot of May. Good loyal party person, willing to promote any policy cooked up by the party, no matter how brain****ed, then crucified when it dioesn't work out. Sadly, that's politics.

Except in current Labour, where the leader is propagating his own agenda (and getting crucified for it by many - including me from time).

I am not sure Corbyn believes inall his agenda though; but he has sort of said that he does not expect to agree with everything he promotes. Hang on - doesn't that make him like May? Er, no, because she pretends the things she disagrees with (like Brexit) are a smashing idea! FFS.

Weststander · Jun 11, 2017

Harry Wilson's tackle said:
Sadly they hated his guts because he is a working class oik (in their vernacular, circa early 90s - and I admit this is no longer an issue in the tory party, even though it, like 'class war' in labour, still exists).

Looking back on him now, he reminds me a lot of May. Good loyal party person, willing to promote any policy cooked up by the party, no matter how brain****ed, then crucified when it dioesn't work out. Sadly, that's politics.

Except in current Labour, where the leader is propagating his own agenda (and getting crucified for it by many - including me from time).

I am not sure Corbyn believes inall his agenda though; but he has sort of said that he does not expect to agree with everything he promotes. Hang on - doesn't that make him like May? Er, no, because she pretends the things she disagrees with (like Brexit) are a smashing idea! FFS.

Brexit's a funny old thing. Some people, wrongly, try and portray Brexit as a purely right wing voter thing. In reality, masses from both ends of the political / socio-economic spectrum wanted out.

BBC this morning gave the real world numbers from this election. 43% of UKIP departees went back to Labour, 57% to Tory.

Millions of working class Labour voters from Margate, to Peterborough, to Sunderland, wanted the UK out of the EU and immigration curtailed.

Corbyn himself has been a lifelong critic of the EU (other than its labour laws), recognising it favours big business, globalisation and a drive to the bottom in wages.

The TV stations on Election night mentioned how Labour has masterfully appealed to the young urban vote, giving an impression of being pro EU with no change on immigration, whilst appealing to the working class elsewhere on a ticket of no back tracking on Brexit.

So other than with the LibDems and UKIP, Brexit is not a straight forward issue.

Harry Wilson's tackle · Jun 11, 2017

Weststander said:
Brexit's a funny old thing.
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So other than with the LibDems and UKIP, Brexit is not a straight forward issue.

Indeed. As I once posted on here during the run in, late at night after having a few I would think '**** it, let's leave'. Then in the morning (etc etc).

An additional factor is a lot of people voted without thinking. I was going to add 'about . . . .'. but 'thinking' just about covers all bases.

That includes 'inners' as well as 'outers'.

Which all goes to show, having a referendum was a clueless piece of cockwomblery. Referendums are for governments who have lost the plot. I may need some knee surgery soon. Will I hold a referendum on it, among the people on my street, friends and family, etc? Will I ****. I will trust the experts. Politicians are supposed to be the experts on governing. I don't expect the ****ers to come back to me, after I have voted for them, asking my opinion on this or that policy. Should we raise taxes? Let's have a referendum. No. Utter platinum plated snot-hounds (Cameron and May especially).

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