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Tom Hark Preston Park

Will Post For Cash
Jul 6, 2003
69,880
Stupid bastid Yank gun laws. They just won't learn, will they? Obama tried his damnest and failed to rein them in. Trump just advocates more guns.
 














Kinky Gerbil

Im The Scatman
NSC Patreon
Jul 16, 2003
57,846
hassocks
Do you notice we are not having a gun debate right now? That's because they used knives and a truck!

Looks like a great tweet now Donald.
 




Mellotron

I've asked for soup
Jul 2, 2008
31,730
Brighton
You just know whatever Trump tweets about this, it'll be wrong. How can he get this one wrong?
 








Herr Tubthumper

Well-known member
NSC Patreon
Jul 11, 2003
59,199
The Fatherland
Has he Tweeted that all industrial estate workers are "losers", need to be "obliterated" and imposed a travel ban on them?
 




Kalimantan Gull

Well-known member
Aug 13, 2003
12,898
Central Borneo / the Lizard
Do you notice we are not having a gun debate right now? That's because they used knives and a truck!

Looks like a great tweet now Donald.

Yeah, it was funny one really, even for him, considering that the Westminster, Manchester and London Bridge attackers would all certainly have killed many more people if they had had guns, which they would surely have had if our gun laws were as loose as they are in the US.
 








Buzzer

Languidly Clinical
Oct 1, 2006
26,121
The main root of the problem is not gun ownership. It's US culture and their readiness to use guns to settle grudges. There are similar levels of gun ownership in may countries but the US is the only one with a problem with mass shootings as a regular occurrence.

Tighter gun laws would obviously help improve matters but it's not too wild a leap to suggest that if all the guns were removed from US society tomorrow then they would start mass stabbings because the culture of violence hasn't been addressed at all.
 


The Spanish

Well-known member
Aug 12, 2008
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The main root of the problem is not gun ownership. It's US culture and their readiness to use guns to settle grudges. There are similar levels of gun ownership in may countries but the US is the only one with a problem with mass shootings as a regular occurrence.

Tighter gun laws would obviously help improve matters but it's not too wild a leap to suggest that if all the guns were removed from US society tomorrow then they would start mass stabbings because the culture of violence hasn't been addressed at all.

Not sure mate. You could argue that the UK has a brawling culture that the US doesnt have. You don't see people rolling around in the gutter on South Beach on a Friday night.

And the US is not an isolated case - The Philippines is similar in terms of firearms to the US, for example. No one ever discusses that. The US is just the place we relate and refer to most culturally and drives a lot of our media.

The world is awash with firearms.
 




TSB

Captain Hindsight
Jul 7, 2003
17,666
Lansdowne Place, Hove
The main root of the problem is not gun ownership. It's US culture and their readiness to use guns to settle grudges. There are similar levels of gun ownership in may countries but the US is the only one with a problem with mass shootings as a regular occurrence.

Tighter gun laws would obviously help improve matters but it's not too wild a leap to suggest that if all the guns were removed from US society tomorrow then they would start mass stabbings because the culture of violence hasn't been addressed at all.

Michael Moore's 'Bowling for Columbine' stated that gun ownership per head in Canada is actually higher than the US.
But their gun murder rate is about 1/100th of that across the border.

I suspect that the poverty rate in America is far higher than any other developed country and that will likely contribute. But some of it must be mindset.
 


Buzzer

Languidly Clinical
Oct 1, 2006
26,121
its not. The Philippines is similar for example. No one ever discusses that. The US is just the place we relate and refer to most culturally and drives a lot of our media.

The world is awash with firearms.

Okay, let me amend my point - there are other first world countries with similar levels of gun ownership that don't have regular mass shootings because the point still stands. There doesn't seem to be a direct correlation between high levels of gun ownership and mass shootings.
 



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