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    Aw bless. a Trump supporter has given up his partner in order to welcome Trump. Cant say they dont make sacrifices.

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      I agree. If any U.K. party came out and said, “right, your taxes are going up 30% to properly fund the NHS” they’d be laughed at. Ignoring my semi-serious and tedious wouldn’t-happen-in-Germany line for a minute, we pay more tax here and funnily enough stuff works: trains run well and cheaply, health is brilliant, schools are fine and university education is free. Part of the battle is the acceptance than the way these services are run was decided many decades ago and is generally free of political ideology.
      NHS spending is only about 20% of public sector expenditure, so increasing this by 30% would only require taxes to increase by 6%.
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      I agree. If any U.K. party came out and said, “right, your taxes are going up 30% to properly fund the NHS” they’d be laughed at. Ignoring my semi-serious and tedious wouldn’t-happen-in-Germany line for a minute, we pay more tax here and funnily enough stuff works: trains run well and cheaply, health is brilliant, schools are fine and university education is free. Part of the battle is the acceptance than the way these services are run was decided many decades ago and is generally free of political ideology.
      Rather crucially, businesses pay more tax in Germany - something that seems to be widely accepted. And yes, individual taxes are higher too (but not 30% higher).

      But you're spot on about it's a situation that's widely accepted. As I keep pointing to people who talk about Corbyn's 'far left' agenda - his policies aren't a million miles away from Merkel's centre-right government.

      How long this state of affairs will last, I don't know. The AfD is making noises about being a low-tax economy but they're a party that always ready to split (and also seems to be at odds with many of its supporters on this issue).
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      NHS spending is only about 20% of public sector expenditure, so increasing this by 30% would only require taxes to increase by 6%.
      Remember you are talking about expenditure from total income, not just from income tax. So 6% rise on VAT, business rates, corporation tax, inheritance tax, NI, insurance tax,etc etc. This would not happen, it would be added on a few areas that many would no doubt be happy with and others would not.
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      Just do what the Germans do. Work out how much a first class fit-for-purpose healthcare service will cost and tax people accordingly. It’s really this simple.
      I think a lot of the problem is that successive Tory governments get elected on a " Low Taxation " manifesto and pledge to keep Income Tax and indirect taxation low or to try to cut it further. However, the stagnation of wages has meant that in order to reduce taxation there has been an ongoing increase in the allowable earnings before your wage becomes taxable. So, poorer people ie, many of us, pay virtually no tax and NI every month !


      My last months pay packet saw me contribute £71.20 Income Tax and NI of £82.09 to the country in order to support the NHS and government agencies, so my monthly contribution will pay for a nurse for a day and a half. Is it any wonder we are in a mess ?
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      Genuinely interested. The NHS annual budget is as far as I know (happy to be corrected) somewhere over £120bn. Germany has a higher population but not too disproportionate, so, how much does the German healthcare system/model raise/spend.

      Would be interesting as a rough comparison to see how much more we need to contribute to the NHS to bring it up to a similar level.
      According to the world bank, based on figures from 2016, Germany spent 11.14% of GDP on health whereas we only spent 9.76%. Assuming the percentages were roughly the same for the following year, Germany's GDP in 2017 was $3.5t and ours was $2.5t. Based on that, it's clear to see that Germany spend considerably more on health than we do. Germany's population is about 82m and ours 66m so they are about 25% bigger than us.

      In terms of increasing taxation, surely whatever government is in place needs to ensure that companies cannot evade tax and surely it makes sense that corporation tax is the same as the basic level of income tax. Tories will argue that will drive business away but they seem to being a good job of doing that with lower corporation tax anyway!!!

      Unfortunately, it's not just the NHS that needs bolstering, the police, education, social care, early years etc etc.
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      Trump the hypocrite.

      ‘Honouring’ servicemen and women this week, whilst previously sneering at John McCain:

      “He’s not a war hero. He’s a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren’t captured.”

      Mr. McCain, a naval aviator, was shot down during the Vietnam War and held prisoner for more than five years in Hanoi, refusing early release even after being repeatedly beaten.

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      I wonder what the reaction in the united kingdom would be, if the American citizens had a huge blow up doll of one of our most important figures.

      How about huge blow up dolls of the royals sucking off each other. I would actually be laughing my head off. as its so true.
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      Trump the hypocrite.

      ‘Honouring’ servicemen and women this week, whilst previously sneering at John McCain:

      “He’s not a war hero. He’s a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren’t captured.”

      Mr. McCain, a naval aviator, was shot down during the Vietnam War and held prisoner for more than five years in Hanoi, refusing early release even after being repeatedly beaten.

      Trump the coward.
      Trump the draft dodger who obtained 4 student deferments and a medical deferment to avoid service in Vietnam. He said "I was never a fan of that war"..."I thought it was a terrible war"...

      To say the stuff he said about say John McCain just shows what a conceited narcissistic hypocritical man he really is.
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      I wonder what the reaction in the united kingdom would be, if the American citizens had a huge blow up doll of one of our most important figures.

      How about huge blow up dolls of the royals sucking off each other. I would actually be laughing my head off. as its so true.
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