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    It's not really 'tin foil hat' logic. It's entirely possible for Trump to be the big egotistical prick he is with regards to his own country, but also be aware that he has nothing on Putin.
    If we use a football scenario, think of it like Zaha: the big fish in the Palace pond, but on the grander, world stage isn't a patch on the bigger players out there.
    Trump is the biggest player on the world stage right now though.

    Nobody is bigger or has as much power behind them, especially in military terms.

    What examples have we seen to show us he's more than happy to cede his ego and take a big step back and have someone else tell him what to do and he's done it.

    For Trump to be Putin's puppet it would take some highly elaborate and highly secretive plan to make it work undetected.

    Do you really think you could rely on Trump to pull off such a heist given how apparently stupid he is according to the same people who think this is what's happening?

    Pie in the sky stuff as was found out by the laughable russia-gate farce.
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      So he's started his first war then. Well done, Donald, that was a really smart move. Nobel Peace Prize is nailed on now.

      What are those waste of space EU nations doing to pull Turkey back into line?

      How many EU members border Turkey?

      EU should be coming straight out and threatening Turkey with heavy sanctions if it goes down that path before anything major happens.
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      Trump is the biggest player on the world stage right now though.

      Nobody is bigger or has as much power behind them, especially in military terms.

      What examples have we seen to show us he's more than happy to cede his ego and take a big step back and have someone else tell him what to do and he's done it.

      For Trump to be Putin's puppet it would take some highly elaborate and highly secretive plan to make it work undetected.

      Do you really think you could rely on Trump to pull off such a heist given how apparently stupid he is according to the same people who think this is what's happening?

      Pie in the sky stuff as was found out by the laughable russia-gate farce.
      I think you are getting desperate. Personally, I don't think he's capable of being anyone's puppet, but they sure know how to play him. Erdogan just played him like a banjo.
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      What are those waste of space EU nations doing to pull Turkey back into line?

      How many EU members border Turkey?

      EU should be coming straight out and threatening Turkey with heavy sanctions if it goes down that path before anything major happens.
      Maybe they would have done if they'd been given much warning by the pumpkin in the White House. But you are in a dreamworld if you think ANY sanctions was going to stop Erdogan doing this once the Americans had gone. A few dozen US troops were maintaining peace and allowing the fight against ISIS to go on, with very little risk to themselves. Now ISIS can regroup, all thanks to the tosspot in orange making up policy as he goes along.
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      Trump is the biggest player on the world stage right now though.

      Nobody is bigger or has as much power behind them, especially in military terms.
      No way. Business will always stand above politics. There is no way Trump got more power than the big banks, the big weapon producers or the organisations they control. In terms of politicians, Xi arguably got the same amount of international power (especially since there is very little conflict of interets between business and politics in China compared to the US), but its hard to tell since China is secretive about its plans, weaponry and ambitions.

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      For Trump to be Putin's puppet it would take some highly elaborate and highly secretive plan to make it work undetected.
      I pretty much agree with you here. While such a "highly elaborate and highly secretive plan" is possible - the biggest secrets are often ridicilous enough not to be taken seriously - I doubt Trump is a "puppet" of Putin. I do think that Trump and Putin have some sort of "secret" agreement about not going to war - something Clinton was very interested in - they are still far from collaborating or conspiring.
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      What are those waste of space EU nations doing to pull Turkey back into line?

      How many EU members border Turkey?

      EU should be coming straight out and threatening Turkey with heavy sanctions if it goes down that path before anything major happens.
      Don't forget it’s NATO, not the EU, that has an army. It’s also defence not attack I.e. if a member is attacked, everyone else leaps to its defence as one or so the theory goes. I have little faith that would happen, alliances tend to unravel when killing’s required
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      This is real.

      He just suggested the US should not help the Kurds because 'they didn't help us in Normandy'.

      Wow.
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      Maybe they would have done if they'd been given much warning by the pumpkin in the White House. But you are in a dreamworld if you think ANY sanctions was going to stop Erdogan doing this once the Americans had gone. A few dozen US troops were maintaining peace and allowing the fight against ISIS to go on, with very little risk to themselves. Now ISIS can regroup, all thanks to the tosspot in orange making up policy as he goes along.
      This conflict has been going since 2014, plenty of time for a contingency plan to have been drawn up. To say oh wow this is out of nowhere we had no time to come up with a plan is just rubbish.

      If it's only a few dozen US troops maintaining the peace it shouldn't be too much of a task to have EU soldiers simply replace them as they move out.

      Why aren't they there already is a fair question is it not?
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      Don't forget it’s NATO, not the EU, that has an army. It’s also defence not attack I.e. if a member is attacked, everyone else leaps to its defence as one or so the theory goes. I have little faith that would happen, alliances tend to unravel when killing’s required
      And NATO has Turkey as part of it's standing members.

      All it takes is for a group of those member states to place peace keepers between Turkey and the Kurds for it to be brought to the NATO council.
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      This conflict has been going since 2014, plenty of time for a contingency plan to have been drawn up. To say oh wow this is out of nowhere we had no time to come up with a plan is just rubbish.

      If it's only a few dozen US troops maintaining the peace it shouldn't be too much of a task to have EU soldiers simply replace them as they move out.

      Why aren't they there already is a fair question is it not?
      Nice whataboutery and whatiffery. Irrelevant, but a good effort. I guess you don't actually understand what happened and don't know what is now happening. Policy changed in two minutes via a tweet without any consultation with anyone but Erdogan. Have you noticed that Trump's own party are almost unanimous in their condemnation of him? Even Fox News ripped him a new 'The Complete And Utter Shyster'. You are defending the indefensible, just because you refuse to accept you were wrong about the pumpkin in the White House.
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