Forgot and forgot... those who want to know the truth already knows it.
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Forgot and forgot... those who want to know the truth already knows it.
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
- 35,312
not really, its typically used where one doesnt have anything to back up a claim or doesnt want to show the source. its easy enough to give some source, let the reader judge the quality and credibility. those with decent sources usually give them, those without say dyor.
Well I don’t think you’re a fool and I apologize if it was implied. I don’t need to provide evidence that his son is a prat (that is being very kind) because everyone already knows that. Whether you think one president is better than the other depends,I suppose, on one’s ideology. I’m a conservative and you’re not, the character of the individual we’re voting for is often secondary, we just want what we feel is best for the country, regardless.
Anyhow, a link or two, give me 5 minutes…
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattv...-doj-investigation-into-hunter-biden-n2610966
https://nypost.com/2022/07/16/hunter-biden-laptop-shows-meetings-with-joe-business-partners/
https://thefederalist.com/2022/03/3...-what-we-all-knew-about-hunter-biden-in-2020/
https://www.wsj.com/articles/all-th...ork-post-new-york-times-joe-biden-11647637814
To be fair, these are conservative sites, but there are hundreds to sift through starting with the left wing ones. That’s how search engines work these days.
If they actually had an 'open border policy', people wouldn't be trying to swim across the river, or hide in trucks, would they?
2 million encounters so far this year, plus 900,000 “getaways”. Once they are here, they are processed and released.
https://twitter.com/BillFOXLA/status/1547211238794461185?s=20&t=PjH3bh3DtEJPjboiSZqR4Q
You can argue either way if the speech triggered a riot (go and peacefully protest), but the only death that day was a young lady murdered by a Capitol policeman.
You have a peculiar take on 'murder'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Ashli_Babbitt
I find it extraordinary that you align yourself with Trump and Putin:
"In October 2021, Trump recorded a video message arguing that "There was no reason Ashli should've lost her life that day. We must all demand justice for Ashli and her family". Russian President Vladimir Putin condemned the shooting of Babbitt, describing it as an "assassination"."
You self-identification as 'conservative' would deeply offend the majority of British conservatives.
Deportivo Seagull
I should coco
It was riot, she tried to storm Capital Hill and paid the price. It was a stupid thing to try and do with absolutely no justification.
A number of those involved have all stated that they were there because of the orange buffoon, he stirred the shit and they responded.
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Baldseagull
Well-known member
I think vested interests should be considered, ego's and pay masters too, but that doesn't mean a source is untrustworthy. There is a difference between presenting news with a bias and presenting utter bullshit as news, it is one thing to try and direct your gaze on to what the left is getting wrong from what the right is doing wrong, but quite another to invent absolute bollocks, or direct attention to claims by others that you know to be absolute bollocks.
I disagree, it absolutely makes a source untrustworthy. What I can agree with is that there is a difference - the consequences of mainstream media, which reaches 100+ million people, being biased is obviously going to be a lot more severe than the consequences of a couple of million nutties believing that Adam Sandler is strangling kids in his loft.
... so do injuries on the day (on both sides), and heart attacks, and subsequent police suicides (for example) not contribute to your definition of "a riot"?
Did you not see the policeman stuck in the doorway being repeatedly attacked by "peaceful protesters", or the same "peaceful protesters" attacking the "blue line" defenders that they claim to support and attacking the same people and buildings with fencing/flagpoles (ironically)/mace/bear spray? Did you not see the "peaceful protesters" dressed in full attack gear? Did you not hear their peaceful chants of "hang Mike Pence"? Did you not see the "only joking"/comical gallows that they took with them as a further indication of their peacefulness? Have you not seen the reports and videos of peacefully threatening to systematically kill their own government members? Did you not see the peaceful "Q Anon" flags and supporters spewing their craziness?
Left wing bad, right wing good (to paraphrase George Orwell), remains a fallacy, but the actions of the "peaceful protesters" on the 6th June (and subsequently) are simply indefensible and has made the USA a laughing stock in the eyes of the world.
<end rant, and relax>
So if someone tried to break into 10 Downing Street with the intention of killing the Prime Minister and was shot by the police when they refused to stop, would you also deem that as "murder"?
Do you think the Ukranian army have been "murdering" Russian soldiers for the last 8 months?
Badger Boy
Mr Badger
- Jan 28, 2016
- 3,655
Ignore your biases a little bit and think about what benefits the country. If you're worried about fraud, do some research into the Trump Organisation.
Baldseagull
Well-known member
I think we are kind of in agreement except for the use of the word untrustworthy, I would not use it to describe factual reporting that might be misleading by omission of other facts, I would call that biased. I often find this sort of reporting a useful starting point for further investigation, which can reveal the whole truth, whereas further investigation of utter bullshit just reveals the source to be a bullshitter.
Incredible attempt to totally disregard the entire context of what was going on
vegster
Sanity Clause
- May 5, 2008
- 27,894
... so do injuries on the day (on both sides), and heart attacks, and subsequent police suicides (for example) not contribute to your definition of "a riot"?
Did you not see the policeman stuck in the doorway being repeatedly attacked by "peaceful protesters", or the same "peaceful protesters" attacking the "blue line" defenders that they claim to support and attacking the same people and buildings with fencing/flagpoles (ironically)/mace/bear spray? Did you not see the "peaceful protesters" dressed in full attack gear? Did you not hear their peaceful chants of "hang Mike Pence"? Did you not see the "only joking"/comical gallows that they took with them as a further indication of their peacefulness? Have you not seen the reports and videos of peacefully threatening to systematically kill their own government members? Did you not see the peaceful "Q Anon" flags and supporters spewing their craziness?
Left wing bad, right wing good (to paraphrase George Orwell), remains a fallacy, but the actions of the "peaceful protesters" on the 6th June (and subsequently) are simply indefensible and has made the USA a laughing stock in the eyes of the world.
<end rant, and relax>
He didn't see that, he saw what he wanted to see.. like that first day when Trump was inaugurated when Trump said it did not rain and that there was the largest ever crowd to witness and inauguration... both lies of course but handily proscribed as " Alternative Facts " by Kelly-anne Conway and thus setting the ground rules for the denial of truth. And here we are now in a Post Truth society on both sides of the Atlantic.
Spoken as someone thousands of miles away from the event and not facing a couple of thousand people screaming in your face and carrying a set of gallows.
... so do injuries on the day (on both sides), and heart attacks, and subsequent police suicides (for example) not contribute to your definition of "a riot"?
Did you not see the policeman stuck in the doorway being repeatedly attacked by "peaceful protesters", or the same "peaceful protesters" attacking the "blue line" defenders that they claim to support and attacking the same people and buildings with fencing/flagpoles (ironically)/mace/bear spray? Did you not see the "peaceful protesters" dressed in full attack gear? Did you not hear their peaceful chants of "hang Mike Pence"? Did you not see the "only joking"/comical gallows that they took with them as a further indication of their peacefulness? Have you not seen the reports and videos of peacefully threatening to systematically kill their own government members? Did you not see the peaceful "Q Anon" flags and supporters spewing their craziness?
Left wing bad, right wing good (to paraphrase George Orwell), remains a fallacy, but the actions of the "peaceful protesters" on the 6th June (and subsequently) are simply indefensible and has made the USA a laughing stock in the eyes of the world.
<end rant, and relax>
Excellent post.