Two Professors
Two Mad Professors
Wonder what this chap was talking to the Saudis about?
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Trump Bombs Syria
- Thread starter Dick Head
- Start date
Psychobilly freakout
HellBilly
I can tell you what it won't be about...
Their appalling human rights record and funding of Jihadist states and organisations..
Two Professors
Two Mad Professors
I expect it had already been raised by this chap;
portlock seagull
Why? Why us?
- Jul 28, 2003
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Tin Helmets on everyone. Things are about to get messy.
dingodan
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- Feb 16, 2011
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The West don't care about wrongdoing by Saudi Arabia. UK Police forces have a deal to train Saudi Police, despite their human rights record.
Saudi Arabia were implicated in the redacted (and recently declassified) "28 Pages" of the 9/11 report.
Further proof, if any was needed, that we don't go to war with the bad guys, we go to war with our adversaries, and the two are not neccessarily the same thing.
portlock seagull
Why? Why us?
- Jul 28, 2003
- 17,089
50 missles 'only' killed 6 people...Hmm, expect it was more than that!
symyjym
Banned
Yes my comment could read like that.
I can't see it hurting Assad, yes he probably would deny it if used chemical weapons but he would also deny it if he didn't. The problem is the crying wolf issue that we have lived with since Iraq and currently I would ask the question why Assad would risk using chemical weapons when he is winning on the ground and had gained some luke warm backing where the he must go has been toned down.
symyjym
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Why? Russia was informed in advance to avoid aircraft being shot down so Assad would have been tipped off to get his troops the hell out of there.
I somewhat agree but this is not about that Chemical Attack. This is about the US and their hunger for ''Regime Change'' in Syria. Do the Americans never learn. Look at what their desire for ''Regime Change'' in Iraq and Afghanistan has brought us. More people dying . ''Different'' people I grant you but more of them. Not to mention terrorism to our own doorstep.
I only hope he waits till after we win the League before blowing us all to ****.
This wouldn't require one to one communication. De-conflict procedures involve relatively low level staff, it'd only take the proverbial two men on a bench with a cliche password. Information about the SAMs on the coast could have been leaked (e.g. down for system maintenance or something more obvious). You've seen the scene in a film where the chap with the information says "I cannot tell you but I'm going to leave these documents on my desk and look out the window for a few minutes,now if you were to look at them...".
Imagine that sort of thing but within this context. Once they know the airspace is safe (or suspect it's being deliberately left open) they then initiate the standard de-conflict procedure and flag with the Russians where they will be striking. The Russians say 'OK'. Then the strike happens.
The question I'm left (if we assume my theory is correct) is whether Trump knew it was being deliberately left open and what the consequences would be (e.g. consolidation of Russia with Assad).
portlock seagull
Why? Why us?
- Jul 28, 2003
- 17,089
But 6 didn't. Ow, and because they're proven lying *******s that's all.
Kalimantan Gull
Well-known member
Well, yeah, its all a big cluster****. I mean, I think we all desire regime change in Syria, and we desire it in Zimbabwe, and we desired it in Iraq and Afghanistan. How to get it is the tricky thing, and clearly at times the government got too impatient and its got worse. Sometimes it gets better, of course, usually when left to its own devices
Why do we think oil is an issue ALL the time? It is sold on the worlds commodity markets, the UK pays the current market rate, no more no less, end. That TM has been pressing flesh in Saudi this week makes no difference to the price paid by traders.
The reason North Korea is not truly appetising is that China doesn't want anyone next door it cannot control. One of the reasons Kim can act the way he can is that he has the option of flooding the border with those seeking to flee to China and he holds border control as a bargaining chip (in the same way that Turkey does with the EU). As irksome as he is to the Chinese, he is by the way and recently they've slowed down on coal imports to try and bring him into line, there's no way Beijing wants a democracy next door. Kim is the ultimate kid in at school with the bully as his older brother.
The only real issue for him is regime change via China or his generals, hence why his half brother was assassinated. The fact that he had no interest in politics is irrelevant as he could have been used as a token by either China or Kim's generals.
symyjym
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Well, the US certainly gave Russia a warning about bombing the runway so hypothetically if that was all that was being targeted it would makes some sense to let them in and save using an expensive defense system to meet 50 plus tomahawks. I think they are saying that those tomahawks cost $£12m so it would probably cost considerably more to intercept them. It could just be economics because the strike would have only caused superficial damage. I like your plot though.
If it was cost and the Russians genuinely didn't want the strike they would have stayed put in the airfield. They were doing this continually early on, leaving their military advisers in key Assad points knowing that the US wouldn't dare risk it. Moving their assets away from the airfield was inviting the US to hit it and this is something they've previously not done.
It might all be coincidence, but Putin has strengthened his hand considerably here and I don't believe it's a happy accident for him.
symyjym
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Maybe. And because of all this Trump fly's out to Moscow urgently so him and Putin can do busines in private.
Yes I can see the logic, and I certainly don't know for sure who carried out the attack. But we can't be certain either he or his opposition would use them again.