[Politics] Brexit

Pinkie Brown · Feb 20, 2023

Dusseldorf Karneval today

Yes, they do have a Carnival Parade on a Monday in February. Don't ask...

nicko31 · Feb 20, 2023

West Hoathly Seagull said:
He's on his way back, isn't he?

Government to hold new talks with EU on NI protocol ‘in coming days’, says foreign secretary – as it happened

James Cleverly’s comments come after No 10 said ‘no deal has been done as yet’

www.theguardian.com

Tories get an absolute shellacking in the May local elections, which I think they will, and the letters will go in to the 1922 Committee. He will get the number of votes he needs this time, and be a shoo in with the members. My fear is that the British electorate will go for him again in 2024.

If that is Johnson's objective, Sunak should threaten to call a GE, that will put Big Dog back in his kennel

Papa Lazarou · Feb 20, 2023

nicko31 said:
If that is Johnson's objective, Sunak should threaten to call a GE, that will put Big Dog back in his kennel

Sunak should just call an election. Don't threaten.

Motogull · Feb 20, 2023

Pinkie Brown said:
Dusseldorf Karneval today

Yes, they do have a Carnival Parade on a Monday in February. Don't ask...

And there it is. The f***ing Bosche famed for their absence of a sense of humour piling in. We are a laughing stock.

Randy McNob · Feb 20, 2023

Wokeworrier said:
Well, at least we can agree that large tax-evading corporations have been benefitting from importing cheap EU labour to suppress wages ... which might be one reason why most of them, (many who help bankroll the Tories) were so pro-remain and why the Tory Government and most of the Tory MP's and party supported remain in the 2016 referendum. Something the many anti-Tory/anti-Brexit obsessives on NSC should reflect on.

I don't doubt the commitment and altruism of many small businesses owners in the care sector but there seems to be a contradiction when on one hand, some claim they are 'struggling to balance the books and simply pay our staff more just like that' but then find the funds to pay a 10% pay rise in one year when the cheap labour tap suddenly dries up.

As any sensible person knows, the cost of living crisis/rising inflation/threat of recession is not a unique Brexit/UK phenomenon which means if we still had large-scale EU immigration the chances of any employer suddenly finding the funds to increase wages to offset the rising costs would reduce.

Please, don't fall into the strawman trap of making this about 'British jobs for British workers', it's about listening to those who have been completely disenfranchised and abandoned by our political establishment/economic model for decades, supported by both Tory and Labour governments. 'Decent wages for all workers' should be a principle we can all agree on.

Leaving the EU is a bit of an elborate way to increase wages, Why not simply raise the minimum wage? This government are hell bent on having a workforce that live on the breadline, and expect them to take wage cuts. Thatś real wage supression Tory style

and your argument only holds water if there are ready made replacement workers ready to fill the labour gaps and there aint.

Gwylan · Feb 20, 2023

Pinkie Brown said:
Dusseldorf Karneval today

Yes, they do have a Carnival Parade on a Monday in February. Don't ask...

We have our carnival festival tomorrow - it's usually held in February - we just call it Shrove Tuesday.

Germans are really big on Karneval - the one in Köln is particularly famous. It's a chance to poke fun at politicians and the British must be a tempting target right now

Randy McNob · Feb 21, 2023

Gwylan said:
We have our carnival festival tomorrow - it's usually held in February - we just call it Shrove Tuesday.

Germans are really big on Karneval - the one in Köln is particularly famous. It's a chance to poke fun at politicians and the British must be a tempting target right now

definately, when ignorance gets you a ministerial position then we are a laughing stock

Thunder Bolt · Feb 21, 2023

Gwylan said:
We have our carnival festival tomorrow - it's usually held in February - we just call it Shrove Tuesday.

Germans are really big on Karneval - the one in Köln is particularly famous. It's a chance to poke fun at politicians and the British must be a tempting target right now

The French and some southern American cities call it Mardi Gras (Fat Tuesday) getting rid of fat and dairy by eating pancakes before Lent starts.

nicko31 · Feb 22, 2023

Interesting what happens when you google "tomato shortage" in other languages. Why is just us that comes up?

Herr Tubthumper · Feb 23, 2023

i remember when food shortages was called Project Fear

Why are UK supermarkets facing fresh food shortages? https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/feb/22/problem-shortage-fresh-food-uk-supermarkets

“Are things worse in the UK than the rest of Europe?

It seems so. There are no reports of shortages in France and Germany* and European shoppers have shared photos on social media of full supermarket shelves, in stark contrast to British supermarkets.”

So is Brexit to blame?

Most farmers and suppliers have said they do not believe the UK’s exit from the EU is the main reason for the UK’s empty supermarket shelves. However, many acknowledge that Brexit – as well as the pandemic – have increased costs for growers, mostly as a result of having to pay higher wages to workers amid labour shortages.

Some importers argue the additional costs and bureaucracy created by Brexit have put the UK at the back of queue for supplies from European producers when crops are in short supply across the continent. It has also led to higher costs and paperwork, which can cause delays at the border – a particular issue with perishable produce.

* wouldn’t happen in Germany

DavidinSouthampton · Feb 23, 2023

WATFORD zero said:
I'm hoping that these current NI negotiations will finally mark the point whereby the drive for complete and utter idiocy abates and we start the turnaround to slowly head back towards some sort of common sense

Is Sunak preparing to tell the rebels to get lost and get the NI thing done with Labour support?
that would be very interesting! I’m not sure if it would smack of grown up politics, or just be political suicide!

DavidinSouthampton · Feb 23, 2023

Papa Lazarou said:
Sunak should just call an election. Don't threaten.

That would be the best thing for the country, but not for the Conservative Party. therefore it won’t happen.

nicko31 · Feb 23, 2023

DavidinSouthampton said:
Is Sunak preparing to tell the rebels to get lost and get the NI thing done with Labour support?
that would be very interesting! I’m not sure if it would smack of grown up politics, or just be political suicide!

He has an 80 seat majority, if you had balls he face down the loons and threaten a GE if they try and topple him.

Just can't see it, Sunak may be more honest than Johnson and has better intention but he is overall weak

Hugo Rune · Feb 23, 2023

nicko31 said:
He has an 80 seat majority, if you had balls he face down the loons and threaten a GE if they try and topple him.

Just can't see it, Sunak may be more honest than Johnson and has better intention but he is overall weak

Indeed. He is beholden to the likes of Raab and Braverman who gave him support in the Leadership election. It’s going to be very difficult to sack either, I suspect that Raab’s bullying investigation will last a very long time indeed, maybe two more years.

Papa Lazarou · Feb 23, 2023

DavidinSouthampton said:
That would be the best thing for the country, but not for the Conservative Party. therefore it won’t happen.

I would just love him to do it out of spite for the ERG Fascists who are trying to bully him. What is the actual trigger? Would he just have to say it in Parliament, or would he need to introduce a bill?

WATFORD zero · Feb 23, 2023

As has been blindingly obvious for nearly a decade to anyone who had given it even the slightest consideration, the NI border was always going to stuff Brexit. He is now in a situation whereby he has a completely unimplementable Northern Ireland Protocol, is breaking International Law by not implementing the solution proposed, negoatiated and signed off by his own party, and is risking the Good Friday Agreement and Trade Sanctions from the EU.

So he has now agreed a solution with the EU but it entails NI following some EU laws and oversight by the European Court of Justice, but he daren't announce it or put it to the vote because it will open the same rifts within his party that Cameron decided could be healed with a referendum 7 years ago :facepalm:

To add to his woes, he would have to rely on the Opposition to get it through. A complete and utter clusterf*** from day one and if you wrote a story charting the last few years of the Brexit cabal's consistent incompetence and corruption, no one would believe it was possible. If only someone had predicted it :lolol:

nicko31 · Feb 23, 2023

Papa Lazarou said:
I would just love him to do it out of spite for the ERG Fascists who are trying to bully him. What is the actual trigger? Would he just have to say it in Parliament, or would he need to introduce a bill?

My understanding is a PM can go to the HM King and ask to dissolve parliament for a GE anytime

nicko31 · Feb 23, 2023

WATFORD zero said:
As has been blindingly obvious for nearly a decade to anyone who had given it even the slightest consideration, the NI border was always going to stuff Brexit. He is now in a situation whereby he has a completely unimplementable Northern Ireland Protocol, is breaking International Law by not implementing the solution proposed, negoatiated and signed off by his own party, and is risking the Good Friday Agreement and Trade Sanctions from the EU.

So he has now agreed a solution with the EU but it entails NI following some EU laws and oversight by the European Court of Justice, but he daren't announce it or put it to the vote because it will open the same rifts within his party that Cameron decided could be healed with a referendum 7 years ago

To add to his woes, he would have to rely on the Opposition to get it through. A complete and utter clusterf*** from day one and if you wrote a story charting the last few years of the Brexit cabal's consistent incompetence and corruption, no one would believe it was possible. If only someone had predicted it

People were warned, but people didn't listen when English exceptionalism kicked in...

Major and Blair say an EU exit could split the UK

Sir John Major and Tony Blair say leaving the EU could threaten the future of the UK - a claim dismissed as "highly irresponsible" by the Northern Ireland secretary.

www.bbc.co.uk

DavidinSouthampton · Feb 23, 2023

Papa Lazarou said:
I would just love him to do it out of spite for the ERG Fascists who are trying to bully him. What is the actual trigger? Would he just have to say it in Parliament, or would he need to introduce a bill?

I’m fairly sure Labour have already said they would support any sensible measures put forward for a vote in Parliament to sort out the Northern Ireland thing. Their view of sensible would probably be fairly different (understatement) to that of the ERG Fascists.
If that were to force some sort of cooperation (unlikely?) between Labour and more moderate conservative, it would be interesting. And why not - wildly different factions have come together for coalitions in Germany over the years to good effect.

WATFORD zero · Feb 23, 2023

DavidinSouthampton said:
I’m fairly sure Labour have already said they would support any sensible measures put forward for a vote in Parliament to sort out the Northern Ireland thing. Their view of sensible would probably be fairly different (understatement) to that of the ERG Fascists.
If that were to force some sort of cooperation (unlikely?) between Labour and more moderate conservative, it would be interesting. And why not - wildly different factions have come together for coalitions in Germany over the years to good effect.

Unfortunately it won't happen because a lot of moderate conservatives have now left or aren't standing again and those few that are left are nowhere near the Cabinet or power. It will take a long painful battle for the Conservatives to get their party back from the cabal before anything sensible can be done. This current situation is the proof, if any were needed :shrug:

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