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[Politics] Brexit
- Thread starter KingstonSeagull
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Ernest
Stupid IDIOT
Wonder who the 34 Tory rebels were 
Grombleton
Surrounded by <div>s
- Dec 31, 2011
- 7,356
Yeah, all 17m of you.
Least Liam Fox May have sealed a deal with Chad by 2051
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
I had to chuckle at one comment seen on Facebook this morning.
Them So has Brexit happened or no?
Me No, we applied for an extension
Them Ok thanks
AN Other We must still be in the EU because my continental quilt is still working.
Well, I thought it was funny.
Them So has Brexit happened or no?
Me No, we applied for an extension
Them Ok thanks
AN Other We must still be in the EU because my continental quilt is still working.
Well, I thought it was funny.
KZNSeagull
Well-known member
Business: "Parliament, please give us some clarity and a way forward"
Parliament: "No".
I expect that this will also be the same after Monday as well.
Parliament: "No".
I expect that this will also be the same after Monday as well.
Given how the last indicative votes went, I would say it looks likely that Clarke's amendment will pass on Monday, and possibly the 2nd referendum one too. The important thing was getting past May's horrendous deal that no one wants.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Wonder who the 34 Tory rebels were
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Bernard Jenkin
- Andrea Jenkyns
- David Jones
- Julian Lewis
- Julia Lopez
- Craig Mackinlay
- Anne Marie Morris
- Priti Patel
- Owen Paterson
- John Redwood
- Laurence Robertston
- Andrew Rosindell
- Lee Rowley
- Theresa Villiers
Kuipers Supporters Club
Well-known member
Mays deal got more votes than any of the indicative votes though - and the Government Payroll abstained on them...
286 vs :
No deal 160
Common Market 2.0 188
Efta/EEA 65
Customs union 264
Labour alt plan 237
Revoke A50 184
2nd referendum 268
Managed no deal 139
KZNSeagull
Well-known member
Clarke's amendment needs the Withdrawal Agreement to pass. If parliament agrees to any negotiated exit on Monday, then I suppose it is possible that the EU (if they agree to it of course) will change the political declaration at the 10th April council session, parliament then votes it and the WA through and we move on. I doubt it though. Long delays and more months of uncertainty seem the most likely though.
Her deal is now dead. Both Letwin and Cable confirmed they weren't expecting to see a majority for any of the options on Weds - plenty of people abstaining/keeping their powder dry at that point, understandably.
At least one if not more will overtake May's Deal votes-wise and see a positive vote on Monday, in my opinion.
JC Footy Genius
Bringer of TRUTH
- Jun 9, 2015
- 10,568
I gave my opinion on what type of Brexit I want/expect, you have yours but I think any BRINO solution (technically leaving) would leave most Brexiteer voters feeling betrayed and most remainers thinking we went through all this pain just to be tied to the EU with no say. Perfectly acceptable?
It would be in their interest to agree, especially if it's a softer Brexit than the one they had already agreed to?
JC Footy Genius
Bringer of TRUTH
- Jun 9, 2015
- 10,568
Did anyone say we wouldn't need to align our standards and regulations where necessary as we do with other markets? (eg companies that sell into the EU) The point being it would be our choice and the majority of companies don't sell into the EU but do have to follow all the regulations.
The Trump/chlorinated chicken point is a tired old cliche. The US is our biggest single nation market expanding and increasing in importance on current trade terms. This notion we will sign up to any sh*t deal Trump gives us tells me more about your perception of the UK (weak/desperate) than about what will likely happen.
Strawmanning nonsense. On one hand, the Brexiteers are incompetent idiots, the ERG are a splintered mish-mash of eccentrics, ego's and plainly couldn't organise a p*ss up you know where but on the other they have policies and are masterminding a cunning plan to bring sweat shops back to Britain. Breaking free of the one size fits all EU regulatory regime will obviously have competitive benefits for the UK in some areas and doesn't mean we will end up like Singapore. People will still vote out governments if the balance swings too far either way.
I doubt anyone would be 'celebrating' the current political crisis/shambles, government and opposition both putting party before country. But I agree they have let us down.
I'm afraid it is perfectly acceptable, yes. At the very least, everyone is in a position where they can campaign to move further in the direction they choose. As I say, your opinion on what type of Brexit you want is indeed merely your opinion - you talk as if it's somehow binding, as if you have some kind of mandate. You really don't.
As an aside, I have enjoyed your posts on this thread as you certainly don't come across stupidly to me, and you make some good points. What does disappoint me is your reluctance to apportion blame for this mess where it really belongs - at the door of the Tory party. This party is not fit for office - their incompetence and individual dishonesty has pretty much shown this.
JC Footy Genius
Bringer of TRUTH
- Jun 9, 2015
- 10,568
The EU negotiate with the Government and the Government can't negotiate a new deal that they don't support. Parliament can't negotiate with the EU ... so a General Election must be likely with a new Tory leader?
KZNSeagull
Well-known member
True, but it will only take 1 of them to veto an extension to implement anything and then we are in an even bigger mess.
I think they will offer us 1 long extension and that’s it.
They can then tell us to do one and it doesn’t look like they have some how bullied us to no deal.
He's shown his true colours. As I said earlier in the thread, one of the few really enjoyable things about this week's proceedings has been watching him paint himself into a corner.
How can he have any credibility whatsoever now? The evil ****.
JC Footy Genius
Bringer of TRUTH
- Jun 9, 2015
- 10,568
It is just my opinion but perhaps representative of many leave voters and even some remainers eg leaving the EU isn't just a technicality.
Thank you and you have the rare ability, on this thread to try and see things from a Leave perspective which makes a refreshing change. I have on numerous occasions slated the Government and my contempt for our entire political class is second to none!