[Politics] Brexit

wellquickwoody · Sep 4, 2019

jessiejames said:
Sadly this is it. I voted to remain but accepted the referendum result to leave. Leave means leave, whether with or without a deal. Politicians should be aside there ambition and get on with doing what the majority voted for. May could not get through her deal so we should leave without one.
The EU should come out and say take the deal that was on offer or **** off without.

I totally agree. MPs should hang their heads in shame, they were elected to enact the will of the people and are refusing to do so.

Nobody should be surprised at whatever happens next.

pb21 · Sep 4, 2019

pastafarian said:
Saw that.
It would certainly give those MPs who want to do everything in their power to stop leaving with no deal the opportunity to voice an opinion for leaving with the deal instead. Might be enough of them now who are just fed up and want a chance to get some sort of leaving over the line.

You maybe right, but presumably the Government will whip the Tory MPs against voting for it (we know what the Government think of the WA, vassalage/backstop etc.), with the threat of deselection for any Tory MP who does.

Mellotron · Sep 4, 2019

Harry Wilson's tackle said:
OK it will hurt people, but only for a while, and in a few years Boris will be the saviour of Leave.

300 years was the estimate given by that Japanese Nikkei analyst today.

A while = 300 years.

Seaber · Sep 4, 2019

jessiejames said:
The EU should come out and say take the deal that was on offer or **** off without.

Why would the EU put pressure on the UK to leave? It's not their preferred option for a start and not in anyway diplomatic or at all in line with how the EU does business.

pb21 said:
You maybe right, but presumably the Government will whip the Tory MPs against voting for it (we know what the Government think of the WA, vassalage/backstop etc.), with the threat of deselection for any Tory MP who does.

Not only the Government but one would imagine Labour too would whip against, I doubt they'd threaten deselection though.

beorhthelm · Sep 4, 2019

if i recall recent events, Johnson used the threat of election as a way to get his side into line, and dare the opposition into something they are not ready for. he doesnt necessarily want one. meanwhile Corbyn having spent 2 years calling for an election refused. its not a good look for Labour, it must at least confuse the typical voter, and weakens them. i cant tell if this is cunning double bluff or a fortuitous cockup.

pastafarian · Sep 4, 2019

pb21 said:
You maybe right, but presumably the Government will whip the Tory MPs against voting for it (we know what the Government think of the WA, vassalage/backstop etc.), with the threat of deselection for any Tory MP who does.

Not sure the Kinnock amendment has any legal obligations to parliament attached to it, think it just asks them to debate and vote. Will be interesting to see if those MPs who say they only want to stop a no deal Brexit would back it a fourth time round. Something has to give. Eventually we are leaving, they obviously have no stomach for revoking A50 and cancelling brexit

Gwylan · Sep 4, 2019

Bry Nylon said:
Apart from the err, Civil War.

We've had at least five .... :lolol:

This is just a stroll in the park

pastafarian · Sep 4, 2019

beorhthelm said:
if i recall recent events, Johnson used the threat of election as a way to get his side into line, and dare the opposition into something they are not ready for. he doesnt necessarily want one. meanwhile Corbyn having spent 2 years calling for an election refused. its not a good look for Labour, it must at least confuse the typical voter, and weakens them. i cant tell if this is cunning double bluff or a fortuitous cockup.

Looks like parliament has abandoned poker all together and is currently collectively playing 52 card pick up using Tommy Coopers special deck.

WATFORD zero · Sep 4, 2019

Off to bed. I'll find out in the morning who Cummings has been drunkenly accosting tonight :wave:

clapham_gull · Sep 4, 2019

beorhthelm said:
if i recall recent events, Johnson used the threat of election as a way to get his side into line, and dare the opposition into something they are not ready for. he doesnt necessarily want one. meanwhile Corbyn having spent 2 years calling for an election refused. its not a good look for Labour, it must at least confuse the typical voter, and weakens them. i cant tell if this is cunning double bluff or a fortuitous cockup.

I'm not a fan of any of them (that's an understatement), but to fair to Labour they were quite clear (at last). Get this out the way and they will agree.

To me the constant claim that they have turned down an election from the Tories sounds a bit pathetic because they obviously haven't.

Labour (I think) want to call it themselves via a no-confidence vote and not allow Johnson (sorry Cummings) to use an election to get a no deal by default.

pb21 · Sep 4, 2019

pastafarian said:
Not sure the Kinnock amendment has any legal obligations to parliament attached to it, think it just asks them to debate and vote. Will be interesting to see if those MPs who say they only want to stop a no deal Brexit would back it a fourth time round. Something has to give. Eventually we are leaving, they obviously have no stomach for revoking A50 and cancelling brexit

Yes but Tory MPs would be whipped to vote against it, and then lose the Whip if they do so.

Would be interesting to see what May would do in such a situation...

Stat Brother · Sep 4, 2019

No General Election, that's such as shame.
I was so looking forward to the choice of one of these:-

wearing

and a bunch of inept, no-necked Rodney's, going through the motions.

Mellotron · Sep 4, 2019

The Complete Badger said:
So we have a government that can’t govern as it is well short of a majority and a parliament refusing an election. God knows where it goes from here.

Quite obvious why they’re refusing election right now. If No Deal is confirmed dead we will have an election immediately after. Ball is firmly in Johnson’s court.

Stat Brother · Sep 4, 2019

I find it hard to believe any of this has come as a surprise to Johnson.

drew · Sep 4, 2019

beorhthelm said:
if i recall recent events, Johnson used the threat of election as a way to get his side into line, and dare the opposition into something they are not ready for. he doesnt necessarily want one. meanwhile Corbyn having spent 2 years calling for an election refused. its not a good look for Labour, it must at least confuse the typical voter, and weakens them. i cant tell if this is cunning double bluff or a fortuitous cockup.

Haven't been following the thread closely but thought the general consensus is that BJ has now called for an election quoting 15th October but nobody believes he would stick to that date and use his royal prerogative to move it back to after the 31st October and after we have left the EU.

pastafarian · Sep 4, 2019

Mellotron said:
Quite obvious why they’re refusing election right now. If No Deal is confirmed dead we will have an election immediately after. Ball is firmly in Johnson’s court.

No deal will only be dead in the short term if Labour fail to win an election

clapham_gull · Sep 4, 2019

Rumours behind the scenes that up to 100 Tory MPs are asking the PM for the sacked MPs to be reinstated.

:lolol:

theonlymikey · Sep 4, 2019

Not sure what BJ game plan is to be honest. Surely if there's an election 15 October, Labour will run a If you vote conservative you will get no deal. As well already know the public don't want this and he will lose a lot of seats.

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