What is done is done. Damage limitation should be the aspiration now. An exit deal as soon as possible, or if not a no deal exit, before the peasants start to revolt, and revolt they will if pushed far enough.
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[Politics] Brexit
- Thread starter KingstonSeagull
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What is done is done. Damage limitation should be the aspiration now. An exit deal as soon as possible, or if not a no deal exit, before the peasants start to revolt, and revolt they will if pushed far enough.
The ironic thing is people demanding No Deal because "it gets it over with" are really demonstrating they don't understand what they are letting themselves in for, as No Deal means YEARS of further talks and issues. You want an FTA? That took Canada the best part of a decade, and was nothing like as complex as a UK one would be. You even want to start those talks? Irish backstop and £39bn please. You want to blow Europe off and rush off into the Americans arms? Great, Congress aren't passing a trade deal until that Irish border is resolved as the GFA was ratified over that side of the pond too.
So how long does "No Deal" last? A week? A month? Forever? If the former two, what does an eventual deal look like, and how do you propose avoiding having to pass the Withdrawal Agreement to get it? If the last one, who do we turn to when shunned by Europe and America? The Russians? The Chinese?
Blue Valkyrie
Not seen such Bravery!
- Jul 10, 2003
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Now I know you are on a wind up. Congratulations though, you kept it going for a long time
Frustration and fury then....
but an exit deal (particularly a No-Deal) may not prevent a backlash... or do you think it is only Leave voters who feel strongly and will wish to punish the architects of this impending disaster?
Frankly I doubt if you were ever a staunch remainer, but it is a good ploy to use in an argument. Pity you have no evidence that would back up that claim.
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A few hundred luxury cars produced each year that are only affordable to a very small market. Yeah. Go U.K!
Oh, don’t suppose you have any independent figures on what impact this will have on the economy and to what degree it will counter the damage Brexit is currently doing to the economy?
daveinplzen
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- Aug 31, 2018
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Good for jobs (albeit not that many in the grand scheme of things)
I asked earlier, but you may have missed it, what attracts you to the No Deal Brexit?
Remain voters are, both in my opinion and of others, a slightly more balanced bunch who are capable of realising that the current situation is unsustainable. They perhaps think things through rather than accept reactionary sound bites. The UK needs to move on, as things stand it cannot do that.
- Jul 10, 2003
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You say that you want this done and dusted and then suggest the option ('no deal') that will ensure that this complete clsuterf*** rolls on for years and possibly decades ?
Did you read this post ?
Get your head round this, I was a firm remainer.
Brexit can be nigh on instant, on WTO terms, job done. Uncertainty ended.
- Jul 10, 2003
- 25,857
What you were, are and are going to be is completely irrelevant.
What you are saying is incorrect in it's entirety and simply shows that you have no understanding of any aspect of what a 'no deal' Brexit means whatsoever. I'm out of here as there is only so much f***wittery one man can take
What you were, are and are going to be is completely irrelevant.
What you are saying is incorrect in it's entirety and simply shows that you have no understanding of any aspect of what a 'no deal' Brexit means whatsoever. I'm out of here as there is only so much f***wittery one man can take
You really are a bit too clever for you own good.
WTO terms are the go to arrangement when trade deals have not been reached. So if it takes 5 years to do a deal with country A, or six months to agree an arrangement with trading block B, it actually changes nothing. Until the UK does a deal with a trading partner they work under WTO rules. Which part of that is too difficult for you to understand?
Oh, and by the way. In answer to your first point......African or Indian?
So you are advocating penalising 'balance' and good sense in favour of the self righteous anger of the Leave contingent.
There are several ways of moving on and it has to be done in a sensible rather than shouty way - and with due regard to healing deep wounds this mess has caused.
I believe anything other than consensus will result in a backlash; the difference is the threats from the Leave side are more menacing; the Remain supporters will punish the snake oil salesmen and posh boys pushing the Leave agenda in a more legitimate and focused way.
nicko31
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Its basically going from the Premier League to the Conference overnight, it will take a long time to work our way up again. We will soon discover the EU got there first.
Then there's the US, large surplus right now under EU agreements. The junior partner will be desperate and get screwed.
Might get some tariff free Mangoes from Australia though, which would be nice...
Baldseagull
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ManOfSussex
We wunt be druv
More #projectfear by the #remoaners at The FT on a no deal Brexit at the end of October - https://www.ft.com/content/a678db62-8ce9-11e9-a24d-b42f641eca37
We'll be just fine, WTO terms, go back to how things used to be in the good old days what,what - Boris Johnson said so and he went to Eton College so he must be right.
We'll be just fine, WTO terms, go back to how things used to be in the good old days what,what - Boris Johnson said so and he went to Eton College so he must be right.
Baldseagull
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He doesn't intend to take us out with no deal, I think only McVey is aiming to do no deal. Those claiming they are prepared to leave without a deal, don't really mean it though, there are probably some that just want the EU to believe they would so that the EU will give ground. The EU will not give ground for two reasons, Firstly, they don't believe that we would leave without a deal, and in any case, there is strong evidence that Parliament would not allow it, Secondly, the EU negotiating team has packed up, the last EU Parliament is over, the new one has to arrange itself in groups, the next President needs to be elected, the commission needs to be chosen and the new EU Commission does not begin until November, after our supposed exit date, so it's going to be bloody hard to find anyone to negotiate with.
They are pretty much all deluded, or deluding their colleagues, if they are saying they can get something significantly different than what is on offer, whoever gets the job is going to have to go to the EU and ask for a long extension whilst we have a general election or second referendum, or persuade their colleagues to pass Mays withdrawal agreement, with perhaps a few tweaks to the Political Declaration if they can find anyone in the EU to talk to and agree to put it to the other 27.
Pretty pink fairy
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- Jan 30, 2008
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What you were, are and are going to be is completely irrelevant.
What you are saying is incorrect in it's entirety and simply shows that you have no understanding of any aspect of what a 'no deal' Brexit means whatsoever. I'm out of here as there is only so much f***wittery one man can take
What you meant to say was yes you're right but i can't bring myself around to accepting it so I'm going to flounce off, LEAVE MEANS LEAVE
regards
DR
Baldseagull
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Baldseagull
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Brexit would be done, but it would not be the end of negotiations with the EU, and everything that was in the Withdrawal agreement will be on the table.