Publius Ovidius
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Wow indeed
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[Politics] Brexit
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Wow indeed
I have to say, you really do dwell on rather tenuous issues. In the grand scheme of things whether or not Gina Miller appears on tv is of little consequence to anyone. And from an earlier post, what Bellotti and Baker did 20 odd years ago has little bearing on the Lib Dems as a party today.
Baldseagull
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The great difficulty is coming from our treaty with Ireland, the EU is just saying it can't agree to anything that breaches that treaty that involves one of it's members, it is the EU saying we respect the sovereignty of the UK and Ireland, so we can't agree to anything that would override the treaty decision the two of you came to. UK negotiators then came up with the backstop, as a way of moving forward with negotiations, the EU agreed to that. It really is not the EU making this impossible, it was never going to be easy, but we have not even got to the part where the EU is going to be difficult.
What? I didn't quote the Vote Leave manifesto, you did. You said leaving without a deal wasn't an option, because of what the Vote Leave campaign said, and I've simply pointed out that what they said isn't enshrined in law. Leaving without a deal is an option. A bad one, IMO, but still an option. It's also an option to remain part of the Single Market, and not take back control of our borders, but I don't suppose the Vote Leave campaign were pushing that either.
Baldseagull
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But Trig did, and you jumped in, if you didn't know what position you were defending, that is your mistake, not Watfords
You missed off LDC and a certain council leader ( Lib Dem ) trying get an NSC poster arrested ! Besides, I swore then I would never vote Lib Dem again ( I had in my student years ) and I intend to honour that ...... if only our politicians could honour what they say eh ?
Now if you wish to vote for a party that had members that literally tried to destroy the Albion ( mostly with lies ) then that's for you to deal with.
Baldseagull
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Are you sure that their constituents would not rather remain than have whats on offer?
Pretty much. With a General Election, parties give a manifesto which they are supposed to try and carry out if they get elected. They don't actually have to carry out their manifesto, but it would look bad on them if they don't, and there's a good chance they'd lose power at the next GE. That's not the case with a one off referendum, and both sides are able to get away with a lot more bullshit. We weren't going to be at war if we left the EU, our security wasn't going to suddenly become at risk. We also weren't going to be spending another £350m a week on the NHS if we chose to leave. This isn't breaking news.So because they were not the government, and would never become the government, that was the reason why the Leave Campaign could say whatever they wanted. There was never any obligation to actually do what they said, for it to be implementable in any shape or form, or for it to be factually correct ?
That explains a lot
And saying that leaving without a deal wasn't possible, because the Vote Leave campaign said we'd negotiate a deal, is either naive or disingenuous.
Honestly Mo, that's desperate! If you cannot read through Blu 3's post and not understand or decipher what his message is without resorting to criticism then no amount of spell checking or grammar will help.
Thunder Bolt
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Not since Monday when the Queen gave Royal Assent to a Bill of Parliament which makes it law.
Worthing exile
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I would rather leave this MEP Election to the Remainers with the Leavers either abstaining or spoiling their papers. After all we don't want it. It would be interesting to see how many people would be bothered to vote for someone.
Indeed - I wouldn't normally care about our choice of MEP, but I'll be voting this time.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
There is no constitutional requirement for a by-election when an MP resigns from a party.
Green Cross Code Man
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Without the backstop problem, it is likely we'd have already left. So yes, it's very problematic.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
If Leavers don't vote, they cannot complain about the results. It's a bit self defeating for them. They'll even have two parties to vote for.
Green Cross Code Man
Wunt be druv
Nope, I wasn't defending Trig's point although his political view is more similar to mine, I 'jumped' in as previously expressed views from remainers on this forum were relevant.
Worthing exile
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But the result is pointless because we are leaving.
Thunder Bolt
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Three million EU citizens were told they would be ok. Then they were told they would have to apply for settled status, which would be easy peasy.
I have already highlighted cases where this is causing lots of problems.
Now the Home Office is 'apologising' for an 'administrative error' for 'accidentally sharing the applicants email addresses. Yeah right.
Who can trust this government any more?
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-eu-citizens-email-addresses?CMP=share_btn_tw
I have already highlighted cases where this is causing lots of problems.
Now the Home Office is 'apologising' for an 'administrative error' for 'accidentally sharing the applicants email addresses. Yeah right.
Who can trust this government any more?
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-eu-citizens-email-addresses?CMP=share_btn_tw
Baldseagull
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You mean the one who has white skin and is male, and did not get half as much attention as the black woman from the press from the outset. I really don't think she enjoyed the attention she was getting early on, luckily for her there were others that needed branding as traitiors, the judiciary, MP's, and now even the Queen.