clapham_gull
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- Aug 20, 2003
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Glad you bothered. I read it as someone who thought "change" and "risk adversion" were a couple of urban dance acts managed by Simon Cowell.
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[Politics] Brexit
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Agreed, which is why I put it in inverted commas in the middle of a theoretical post.
But the closer we get to oblivion the more politicians on both sides will mitigate the things that are going to be the biggest issues. No one will say it but we already effectively have a managed no deal. We know the date it will happen. We know the contingency measures (or lack of them if you're Faling Grayling). We know we'll default to WTO terms. We know the EU are already putting aside money specifically to support Ireland. SImply crashing out at any given time with no support is what I would call unmanaged.
Wrong-Direction
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- Mar 10, 2013
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What a Fing joke. This lot only appeal to the hardest of remainers. They are not going anywhere.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
You think? 3000 new members in the last two days.
- Jul 10, 2003
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As has been pointed out numerous times before, the things that will be the biggest issues are
Building Customs posts at the hard border in NI
Building Lorry parks at all ports for checking imports
Defining, building and testing the new systems required to operate the 'no deal' tariffs and procedures
Putting in the IT infrastructure to run the systems yet to be built
The largest recruitment and training programme in HMRCs history to get and train the staff to operate the 'no deal' tariffs and procedures
With 3 months to go, how much of this do you think the politicians will be able to 'mitigate' by Oct 31st ? (You can assume for this that they cancel parliament's summer recess even though there is no sign whatsoever of that).
'Managed no deal'
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Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
I repeat the passage from the article below because it is seldom that you see such a summary of common sense in just one paragraph.
"Over many years, Brexiters constructed a fable that presents the UK as the helpless victim of an unaccountable bureaucracy in Brussels. Their version of history has become ever more at odds with reality. Brave Britannia is increasingly portrayed as a heroic underdog determined to fight for its independence from Europe. It matters not a jot that the organisation from which the UK is purportedly seeking to escape is a decent grouping of democratic nations that the UK willingly joined, which it helped significantly to shape and of which at least half the British people now very much wish their country to remain a member."
Bobby McDonagh, an Irish politician in the EU, an opinion in the Guardian yesterday.
Far from being law takers, the British have led most of the EU projects, but the Murdoch press would have you believe otherwise.
"Over many years, Brexiters constructed a fable that presents the UK as the helpless victim of an unaccountable bureaucracy in Brussels. Their version of history has become ever more at odds with reality. Brave Britannia is increasingly portrayed as a heroic underdog determined to fight for its independence from Europe. It matters not a jot that the organisation from which the UK is purportedly seeking to escape is a decent grouping of democratic nations that the UK willingly joined, which it helped significantly to shape and of which at least half the British people now very much wish their country to remain a member."
Bobby McDonagh, an Irish politician in the EU, an opinion in the Guardian yesterday.
Far from being law takers, the British have led most of the EU projects, but the Murdoch press would have you believe otherwise.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
As has been pointed out numerous times before, the things that will be the biggest issues are
Building Customs posts at the hard border in NI
Building Lorry parks at all ports for checking imports
Defining, building and testing the new systems required to operate the 'no deal' tariffs and procedures
Putting in the IT infrastructure to run the systems yet to be built
The largest recruitment and training programme in HMRCs history to get and train the staff to operate the 'no deal' tariffs and procedures
With 3 months to go, how much of this do you think the politicians will be able to 'mitigate' by Oct 31st ? (You can assume for this that they cancel parliament's summer recess even though there is no sign whatsoever of that).
'Managed no deal'
Parliament is only sitting for 35 days between now and Oct 31st.
So many civil servants has been decimated, there's nobody left to do any work.
Publius Ovidius
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As has been pointed out numerous times before, the things that will be the biggest issues are
Building Customs posts at the hard border in NI
Building Lorry parks at all ports for checking imports
Defining, building and testing the new systems required to operate the 'no deal' tariffs and procedures
Putting in the IT infrastructure to run the systems yet to be built
The largest recruitment and training programme in HMRCs history to get and train the staff to operate the 'no deal' tariffs and procedures
With 3 months to go, how much of this do you think the politicians will be able to 'mitigate' by Oct 31st ? (You can assume for this that they cancel parliament's summer recess even though there is no sign whatsoever of that).
'Managed no deal'
On my LinkedIn page last night I was left a message by some recruiter who I phoned at 8 oclock this morning and turns out that as my position of Global Change Manager sounded impressive to them ( I have no idea why) but more the fact I have been doing change management for 15 years + HMRC are looking to recruit people with my experience as they are in the do do. If I wasn’t 61 this year I would have thought seriously about it, but travelling to London every day is not my idea of fun.
When I cheekily asked about the package, he said they were offering silly money just to get people in.
Brexit bonanza for all the contractors and consultants out there.
- Jul 10, 2003
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I did post it on here at the time, but as of a couple of years ago, the vast majority of contracts the civil service hand out are now 2 year fixed term contracts.
However, if you work for DExEU, it's a full time contract. I've had a few 'Job for life' sarcastic texts since.
Good decision, I think that less work, less commuting and more Golf is what will make Dave happy
ManOfSussex
We wunt be druv
Help me out here then Footy Genius. For example:
How exactly are the circa 70% of Welsh benefit claimants from post industrial areas in South Wales who voted for Brexit going to be better off in the future under an English nationalist, public school, Conservative and Unionist party, gammon, Old Etonian, oddball right wing project from London? (Turkeys and Christmas spring to mind here.)
How exactly are the 30% of SNP voters who voted for Brexit going to be better off under an English nationalist, public school, Conservative and Unionist party, gammon, Old Etonian, odball right wing project from London? (At least the contemptuous feelings are mutual here, so those 30% can join their remain voting compatriots and vote to leave another union.)
(I also note you omitted Northern Irish leave voters from your straw clutching - quite rightly too - it's rather obvious that the large swathes of the Nationalist community that voted for Brexit have never been of interest to English nationalist, public school, Conservative and Unionist party, gammon, Old Etonian, oddball right wingers and any Unionists who voted likewise are expendable as well now and can be sold down the river with them.)
Klaas
I've changed this
- Nov 1, 2017
- 2,565
bashldir? No, never.
- Apr 5, 2014
- 23,587
Thought provoking article in the Irish Times
https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and...azcftNSWsB7RgFeXyvpJDgAMQTXArU2wognfPzv2OHgiI
https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and...azcftNSWsB7RgFeXyvpJDgAMQTXArU2wognfPzv2OHgiI
ManOfSussex
We wunt be druv
Up to 120k. Only 40k or so members less than the Tories now.
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nicko31
Well-known member
A lot of moderate Tories are finding a home, they want nothing of a right wing sect cosying up with a crypto fascist in Washington
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
I did post it on here at the time, but as of a couple of years ago, the vast majority of contracts the civil service hand out are now 2 year fixed term contracts.
However, if you work for DExEU, it's a full time contract. I've had a few 'Job for life' sarcastic texts since.
Good decision, I think that less work, less commuting and more Golf is what will make Dave happy
I retired in 2014 but it was 1 year fixed term contracts then. You'd barely trained someone and they'd gone.
They did sometimes do two one year fixed term contracts consecutively, which is how I got the job after moving south again, and someone got promoted so I managed to get a proper contract but not without doing another application, paper sift, and round of interviews.
What a waste of resources.
Hampden Park
Ex R.N.
- Oct 7, 2003
- 4,989
box ticking shite TB
pastafarian
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She is very clear then, if there was another vote to leave she still would NOT vote in parliament after another referendum to accept the decision which that democratic vote gave.
Which is utterly perfect, if the politicians are openly going now going to say they will refuse to accept the outcome given by another referendum if they don’t like the answer given,(she will accept the decision given if its Remain)……then its pointless talking about or holding another democratic vote.
The undemocratic loons on here will not doubt be jumping to her defence. Some of them might even say they interpreted Farage as saying the same thing so its ok for her to say it because Farage said it too.
Ps. Why did they pick someone that looks like Rose West?
From this
To this
pastafarian
Well-known member
Its not as if someone who has spent much of his working life between being a bureaucrat in the European parliament, in EU commission cabinets, as the EU representative for Ireland and director general of the EU department of the Irish foreign ministry was ever not going to be biased towards the EU. This opinion piece by a hardline Europhile must have come as a total shock to you.
PS I didn’t willingly join the EU, in fact I was never asked via a vote if I wanted to join the EU or not. There was a vote to remain in the European Communities/common market years back after we had already joined, but only an idiot thinks they are the same thing. We have only ever had one referendum membership of the European Union and that gave a decision to Leave it.
Grombleton
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- Dec 31, 2011
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The thing is, after listening to that clip...she really didn't openly say anything, did she? Nice bit of clickbait though, I see how its hooked a few people