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[Politics] Brexit

If there was a second Brexit referendum how would you vote?


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JC Footy Genius

Bringer of TRUTH
Jun 9, 2015
10,568
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Not sure what is more amusing, Baker lite now flying the EU flag or Nicko flying the Union flag :D

I hate to say it, but Britain's doing OK. Even Germany envies us...

For diehard Remoaners like me, all this endless good news about jabs and carbon emissions is pretty hard to take

For those of us who like to talk Britain down, all this good news is hard to take. The vaccination figures are shocking. Nearly 20 million first doses administered. A forward-thinking procurement plan. The leading large nation, far ahead of the US and, more gallingly for us frothing Remoaners, miles ahead of Europe. Nothing could be more depressing for the honest self-loathing liberal Brit. You know the type. Recycle assiduously but fly once a fortnight.

We can’t say we haven’t had a good run. The past few years have been wonderful. Any positive stories could be written off as a fluke or a statistical aberration. There has been abundant bad news to confirm what we already knew: Britain is a sad, grey little Plague Island in the Atlantic, incapable of relinquishing its past glories and heading full tilt towards irrelevance. Brexit has been Gloomster Glastonbury.

Surely the pandemic can’t have exposed shortcomings in having a pan-continental uber-bureaucracy?
The early days of the pandemic were promising, too. We had the dithering over lockdown, the PPE fiasco and the Barnard Castle drive-by. All reinforced our narrative of total incompetence. A simple eye-roll was usually enough to convey your membership of the told-you-so club. What do you expect from 10 years of Tory rule? The turkeys voted for Christmas. It’s our children and grandchildren I’m worried about.

The self-loathers hadn’t had it so good since Suez. But this year life is increasingly bewildering. The test-and-trace fiasco was comforting. It proved that when the Tories combine public money with private businesses, an orgy of cronyism ensues. Yet the vaccine programme has turned out to be a slick collaboration between hard-nosed businesspeople, big pharma and the academic establishment. It’s almost as confusing as Gillian Anderson playing Margaret Thatcher. Even Private Eye conceded that they’d been “harsh” on vaccine tsar Kate Bingham.

It turns out it might not only be vaccinations that Britain is excelling at. An article in the Economist, not normally given to jingoism, pointed out the UK’s success in cutting carbon emissions. For several months last year the UK burned no coal. It looks likely that soon it won’t burn any at all. You might argue we’ve outsourced emissions to China, but so has everyone else. The bitterest pill is that we’re beating Germany. Germany, the nation self-loathing Brits revere more than any other. Germany, which welcomes every immigrant, has sensible governments, and has only ever craved peaceful European integration.

It transpires that several of the dozen or so vaccines Germany thought to order have been ensnared in red tape. Surely the pandemic can’t have exposed shortcomings in having a pan-continental uber-bureaucracy?

Wasn’t all that technik meant to lead to a bit of vorsprung? The front page of Bild, one of Germany’s main tabloids, last Wednesday read “Britain, We Envy You”. While Eeyorish Mrs Merkel warns of yet another lockdown, with less than 10% of her population vaccinated, our flaxen-haired prime minister leads his nation towards a summer of Weimar excess. Mutti, how could you forsake your fans in Islington like this?

The American economics professor Tyler Cowen, in a blog about the Economist piece, said Britain was “grossly underrated”, also pointing out our performance in AI and London’s enduring appeal as a global city. Our bond yields are substantially higher than Germany’s, indicating that hopes of recovery are better advanced. At the time of writing it looks as though the European Football Championships, originally to be played across the continent, will be held solely in England, a neat metaphor for this confusing year.

There are glimmers of light for gloomsters. Amsterdam has taken over as Europe’s share-trading capital? Tell me more. Lorry delays and export nightmares? Give it to me neat. But everywhere we look there are questions without easy answers. Does Ed Davey deserve some credit? Is Matt Hancock not the literal devil? Is the UK actually… good?

We must be thankful for the cricketers. Presumably reading about the vaccination rates from their bubble in Gujarat, they took the trouble to engineer one of their most craven defeats in memory. When everything else is looking up, it’s nice to have failures you can rely on.


https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-but-britains-doing-ok-even-germany-envies-us

Always said the Guardian/Observer was worth a read ...
 


Baker lite

Banned
Mar 16, 2017
6,309
in my house
Not sure what is more amusing, Baker lite now flying the EU flag or Nicko flying the Union flag :D

I hate to say it, but Britain's doing OK. Even Germany envies us...

For diehard Remoaners like me, all this endless good news about jabs and carbon emissions is pretty hard to take

For those of us who like to talk Britain down, all this good news is hard to take. The vaccination figures are shocking. Nearly 20 million first doses administered. A forward-thinking procurement plan. The leading large nation, far ahead of the US and, more gallingly for us frothing Remoaners, miles ahead of Europe. Nothing could be more depressing for the honest self-loathing liberal Brit. You know the type. Recycle assiduously but fly once a fortnight.

We can’t say we haven’t had a good run. The past few years have been wonderful. Any positive stories could be written off as a fluke or a statistical aberration. There has been abundant bad news to confirm what we already knew: Britain is a sad, grey little Plague Island in the Atlantic, incapable of relinquishing its past glories and heading full tilt towards irrelevance. Brexit has been Gloomster Glastonbury.

Surely the pandemic can’t have exposed shortcomings in having a pan-continental uber-bureaucracy?
The early days of the pandemic were promising, too. We had the dithering over lockdown, the PPE fiasco and the Barnard Castle drive-by. All reinforced our narrative of total incompetence. A simple eye-roll was usually enough to convey your membership of the told-you-so club. What do you expect from 10 years of Tory rule? The turkeys voted for Christmas. It’s our children and grandchildren I’m worried about.

The self-loathers hadn’t had it so good since Suez. But this year life is increasingly bewildering. The test-and-trace fiasco was comforting. It proved that when the Tories combine public money with private businesses, an orgy of cronyism ensues. Yet the vaccine programme has turned out to be a slick collaboration between hard-nosed businesspeople, big pharma and the academic establishment. It’s almost as confusing as Gillian Anderson playing Margaret Thatcher. Even Private Eye conceded that they’d been “harsh” on vaccine tsar Kate Bingham.

It turns out it might not only be vaccinations that Britain is excelling at. An article in the Economist, not normally given to jingoism, pointed out the UK’s success in cutting carbon emissions. For several months last year the UK burned no coal. It looks likely that soon it won’t burn any at all. You might argue we’ve outsourced emissions to China, but so has everyone else. The bitterest pill is that we’re beating Germany. Germany, the nation self-loathing Brits revere more than any other. Germany, which welcomes every immigrant, has sensible governments, and has only ever craved peaceful European integration.

It transpires that several of the dozen or so vaccines Germany thought to order have been ensnared in red tape. Surely the pandemic can’t have exposed shortcomings in having a pan-continental uber-bureaucracy?

Wasn’t all that technik meant to lead to a bit of vorsprung? The front page of Bild, one of Germany’s main tabloids, last Wednesday read “Britain, We Envy You”. While Eeyorish Mrs Merkel warns of yet another lockdown, with less than 10% of her population vaccinated, our flaxen-haired prime minister leads his nation towards a summer of Weimar excess. Mutti, how could you forsake your fans in Islington like this?

The American economics professor Tyler Cowen, in a blog about the Economist piece, said Britain was “grossly underrated”, also pointing out our performance in AI and London’s enduring appeal as a global city. Our bond yields are substantially higher than Germany’s, indicating that hopes of recovery are better advanced. At the time of writing it looks as though the European Football Championships, originally to be played across the continent, will be held solely in England, a neat metaphor for this confusing year.

There are glimmers of light for gloomsters. Amsterdam has taken over as Europe’s share-trading capital? Tell me more. Lorry delays and export nightmares? Give it to me neat. But everywhere we look there are questions without easy answers. Does Ed Davey deserve some credit? Is Matt Hancock not the literal devil? Is the UK actually… good?

We must be thankful for the cricketers. Presumably reading about the vaccination rates from their bubble in Gujarat, they took the trouble to engineer one of their most craven defeats in memory. When everything else is looking up, it’s nice to have failures you can rely on.


https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-but-britains-doing-ok-even-germany-envies-us

Always said the Guardian/Observer was worth a read ...

More GAMMON guff.
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Randy McNob

Now go home and get your f#cking Shinebox
Jun 13, 2020
4,456
Not sure what is more amusing, Baker lite now flying the EU flag or Nicko flying the Union flag :D

I hate to say it, but Britain's doing OK. Even Germany envies us...

For diehard Remoaners like me, all this endless good news about jabs and carbon emissions is pretty hard to take

For those of us who like to talk Britain down, all this good news is hard to take. The vaccination figures are shocking. Nearly 20 million first doses administered. A forward-thinking procurement plan. The leading large nation, far ahead of the US and, more gallingly for us frothing Remoaners, miles ahead of Europe. Nothing could be more depressing for the honest self-loathing liberal Brit. You know the type. Recycle assiduously but fly once a fortnight.

We can’t say we haven’t had a good run. The past few years have been wonderful. Any positive stories could be written off as a fluke or a statistical aberration. There has been abundant bad news to confirm what we already knew: Britain is a sad, grey little Plague Island in the Atlantic, incapable of relinquishing its past glories and heading full tilt towards irrelevance. Brexit has been Gloomster Glastonbury.

Surely the pandemic can’t have exposed shortcomings in having a pan-continental uber-bureaucracy?
The early days of the pandemic were promising, too. We had the dithering over lockdown, the PPE fiasco and the Barnard Castle drive-by. All reinforced our narrative of total incompetence. A simple eye-roll was usually enough to convey your membership of the told-you-so club. What do you expect from 10 years of Tory rule? The turkeys voted for Christmas. It’s our children and grandchildren I’m worried about.

The self-loathers hadn’t had it so good since Suez. But this year life is increasingly bewildering. The test-and-trace fiasco was comforting. It proved that when the Tories combine public money with private businesses, an orgy of cronyism ensues. Yet the vaccine programme has turned out to be a slick collaboration between hard-nosed businesspeople, big pharma and the academic establishment. It’s almost as confusing as Gillian Anderson playing Margaret Thatcher. Even Private Eye conceded that they’d been “harsh” on vaccine tsar Kate Bingham.

It turns out it might not only be vaccinations that Britain is excelling at. An article in the Economist, not normally given to jingoism, pointed out the UK’s success in cutting carbon emissions. For several months last year the UK burned no coal. It looks likely that soon it won’t burn any at all. You might argue we’ve outsourced emissions to China, but so has everyone else. The bitterest pill is that we’re beating Germany. Germany, the nation self-loathing Brits revere more than any other. Germany, which welcomes every immigrant, has sensible governments, and has only ever craved peaceful European integration.

It transpires that several of the dozen or so vaccines Germany thought to order have been ensnared in red tape. Surely the pandemic can’t have exposed shortcomings in having a pan-continental uber-bureaucracy?

Wasn’t all that technik meant to lead to a bit of vorsprung? The front page of Bild, one of Germany’s main tabloids, last Wednesday read “Britain, We Envy You”. While Eeyorish Mrs Merkel warns of yet another lockdown, with less than 10% of her population vaccinated, our flaxen-haired prime minister leads his nation towards a summer of Weimar excess. Mutti, how could you forsake your fans in Islington like this?

The American economics professor Tyler Cowen, in a blog about the Economist piece, said Britain was “grossly underrated”, also pointing out our performance in AI and London’s enduring appeal as a global city. Our bond yields are substantially higher than Germany’s, indicating that hopes of recovery are better advanced. At the time of writing it looks as though the European Football Championships, originally to be played across the continent, will be held solely in England, a neat metaphor for this confusing year.

There are glimmers of light for gloomsters. Amsterdam has taken over as Europe’s share-trading capital? Tell me more. Lorry delays and export nightmares? Give it to me neat. But everywhere we look there are questions without easy answers. Does Ed Davey deserve some credit? Is Matt Hancock not the literal devil? Is the UK actually… good?

We must be thankful for the cricketers. Presumably reading about the vaccination rates from their bubble in Gujarat, they took the trouble to engineer one of their most craven defeats in memory. When everything else is looking up, it’s nice to have failures you can rely on.


https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-but-britains-doing-ok-even-germany-envies-us

Always said the Guardian/Observer was worth a read ...

So in a nutshell more backslapping over the vaccine rolout. The article does comes across a little tongue in cheek
 






JC Footy Genius

Bringer of TRUTH
Jun 9, 2015
10,568
So in a nutshell more backslapping over the vaccine rolout. The article does comes across a little tongue in cheek

Nonsense, this is the sort of hard-hitting, tell it like it is, Pulitzer prize-winning journalism that has been sorely lacking in recent times .... this brave journalist risking being ostracised and de-platformed for telling a few home truths to the Guardian dinner party set/the woke :salute:
 


pastafarian

Well-known member
Sep 4, 2011
11,902
Sussex
While relative calm has descended can I please remind people of the sticky on this sub-forum. Partiicularly

From now on, every time someone is abusive or resorts to name-calling, an infraction (warning) will be given. Multiple infractions automatically become bans - initially temporary and short but, ultimately. permanent.

That is now extended to derailing and continuing off-topic personal battles.

We've had enough.

Just to clarify....
Does starting a post off topic but then saying " back on topic" constitute being off topic and worthy of the infraction or does saying "back on topic" negate the initial off topic and give you a free pass?
Asking for no one in particular.
 




Baker lite

Banned
Mar 16, 2017
6,309
in my house
Just to clarify....
Does starting a post off topic but then saying " back on topic" constitute being off topic and worthy of the infraction or does saying "back on topic" negate the initial off topic and give you a free pass?
Asking for no one in particular.

Stay on topic please..
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Guinness Boy

Tofu eating wokerati
Helpful Moderator
NSC Patron
Jul 23, 2003
34,185
Up and Coming Sunny Portslade
Just to clarify....
Does starting a post off topic but then saying " back on topic" constitute being off topic and worthy of the infraction or does saying "back on topic" negate the initial off topic and give you a free pass?
Asking for no one in particular.

When this thread looks like it's being contributed to by the same ten or so people, is nothing to do with Brexit and is full of name calling and trolling, and you're one of the ten, then check your inbox.

And if you're really boring everyone, just try to log on.

HTH :thumbsup:
 


Swansman

Pro-peace
May 13, 2019
22,320
Sweden
When this thread looks like it's being contributed to by the same ten or so people, is nothing to do with Brexit and is full of name calling and trolling, and you're one of the ten, then check your inbox.

And if you're really boring everyone, just try to log on.

HTH :thumbsup:

Lock it. Put it out of its misery.
 




pastafarian

Well-known member
Sep 4, 2011
11,902
Sussex
When this thread looks like it's being contributed to by the same ten or so people, is nothing to do with Brexit and is full of name calling and trolling, and you're one of the ten, then check your inbox.

And if you're really boring everyone, just try to log on.

HTH :thumbsup:

Doesnt really help to clarify the " back on topic" issue.
But thanks for the input anyway.
:thumbsup:
 


pastafarian

Well-known member
Sep 4, 2011
11,902
Sussex
Lock it. Put it out of its misery.

Should have been closed down when the Exit (end of membership and end of transition) concluded.
No one seems to want to start a BREJOIN thread (where you can complain all you like about being non members and why we should go back ) though
 








Chicken Run

Member Since Jul 2003
NSC Patron
Jul 17, 2003
18,448
Valley of Hangleton
More Brexit bad news

Nearly two months after Great Britain (GB) left the EU single market and customs union, the volume of freight being shipped across the Irish Sea from the Republic of Ireland to GB is still down significantly, raising further questions about government claims that trading volumes are returning to normal.




Brexit: Why Irish freight trade is avoiding Britain https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/56201463
 


Guinness Boy

Tofu eating wokerati
Helpful Moderator
NSC Patron
Jul 23, 2003
34,185
Up and Coming Sunny Portslade
Lock it. Put it out of its misery.

I admire your optimism but have you read this sub-forum? Every single thread is about race/BLM, Islam or Brexit and every single thread is contributed to by the same sad cases. Bozza's sub-forum description is one of the best pieces of writing on this site.

Every time some second rate London club decide they might not take the knee someone starts exactly the same BLM/knee taking thread. And if we locked this there would be a new one started before I'd finished my cereal.

Some people just can't help themselves.
 


Chicken Run

Member Since Jul 2003
NSC Patron
Jul 17, 2003
18,448
Valley of Hangleton
I admire your optimism but have you read this sub-forum? Every single thread is about race/BLM, Islam or Brexit and every single thread is contributed to by the same sad cases. Bozza's sub-forum description is one of the best pieces of writing on this site.

Every time some second rate London club decide they might not take the knee someone starts exactly the same BLM/knee taking thread. And if we locked this there would be a new one started before I'd finished my cereal.

Some people just can't help themselves.

Back on topic [emoji6]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www..../brexit-poll-yougov-leave-remain-19935605.amp
 




Randy McNob

Now go home and get your f#cking Shinebox
Jun 13, 2020
4,456
Should have been closed down when the Exit (end of membership and end of transition) concluded.
No one seems to want to start a BREJOIN thread (where you can complain all you like about being non members and why we should go back ) though

it should have been closed on 24 June 2016, as for Brexiters it was only about the vote
 




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