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If there was a second Brexit referendum how would you vote?


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The Clamp

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Jan 11, 2016
24,272
West is BEST
He is not a KNOWN rascist and frankly if he saw your post he would have grounds to sue you for real proof. Maybe I should e-mail him.........:ohmy:


Some pretty racist stuff in this list of unlikeable things about Farage.

Last September, the Ukip leader announced there was a "dark side" to immigration and that London was suffering from a "Romanian crime wave".

He also suggested in an interview with the aforementioned James O'Brien that he would feel concerned if a group of Romanian migrants moved in next door. When questioned what the difference was between Romanian and German migrants, he said "You know what the difference is".

He then blamed that outburst, which was criticised as a "racial slur", on being tired.



By gal-dem staff GAL-DEMPOLITICS 21st May 2019




• In 1981, when Nigel was appointed as a prefect at his school, an English teacher wrote to the headteacher asking him to reconsider his decision, citing his fascist views. Another said that on a Combined Cadet Force (CCF) camp organised by the college, Farage and others “marched through a quiet Sussex village very late at night shouting Hitler-youth songs.”

• Skip forward to 2006 – when Nigel became the leader of UKIP, the UK Independence Party. The party is on the far right, and campaigned for the UK to leave the EU. Policies included strict caps on immigration, a five-year ban on unskilled workers, and a five-year wait before migrants could claim benefits.

• In 2009 Nigel boasted that he took two million pounds of taxpayers’ money in expenses and allowances, on top of what was already a £64,000 a year salary.

• In 2013 Nigel said he supports Muslim immigrants who “integrate” into society, but not those that are “coming here to take us over”.

• In a 2014 interview on LBC, Nige said he felt “uncomfortable” when he heard people speaking in other languages on London transport.

• The same year, he said the “basic principle” of Enoch Powell’s infamous anti-immigration “Rivers of Blood” speech was correct.

• On women and work, he also said in 2014: “If a woman with a client base has a child and takes two or three years off work, she is worth far less to the employer when she comes back than when she goes away because her client base cannot be stuck rigidly to her.”

• On the same topic, he added: “Maybe it’s because I’ve got so many women pregnant over the years that I have a different view [of maternity leave].”

• On his political idols, he said: “As an operator, but not as a human being, I would say Putin. The way he played the whole Syria thing. Brilliant.”

• In 2014 Nigel also said he would be concerned if Romanian immigrants moved in next door to him.

• The same year, he blamed immigrants for making him late to an event where he was speaking. He said his lateness “has nothing to do with professionalism, what it does have to do with is a country in which the population is going through the roof chiefly because of open-door immigration and the fact that the M4 is not as navigable as it used to be”.

• Nigel called for a ban on people with HIV migrating to the UK. When asked who should be allowed to come to the UK instead, he stated: “People who do not have HIV, to be frank. That’s a good start. And people with a skill.”

• In 2015, Nigel then said that NHS money spent on recent immigrants with HIV would be better placed treating other taxpayers with serious conditions.

• Nigel defended a UKIP candidate who used a racist slur against Chinese people. Referring to the incident, he said: “If you and your mates were going out for a Chinese, what do you say you’re going for?”

• In June 2016, Nigel unveiled an anti-immigrant poster that suggested that immigration was at “Breaking Point”, as part of the leave campaign. The poster was reported to the police on the grounds that it aimed to incite racial hatred.






• When Britain left the EU in 2016, Nigel boasted that the campaign had been won “without a bullet being fired”. This was eight days after Labour MP Jo Cox was fatally shot.

• The same year, he said that if he could, he would vote for Donald Trump in the US presidential elections.

• After Donald Trump won the election, Nigel was the first person to visit him, in the Trump Tower.

• He later said in an interview that he “couldn’t be happier” for Donald, whilst describing Barack Obama as a “loathsome individual” and a “creature”.





• Nigel also praised Donald for “dominating” Hillary Clinton, like a “silverback gorilla”.

• Like Tommy Robinson, Nigel has close links with Steve Bannon, Donald’s chief strategist and founder of alt-right news platform Breitbart News.

• In 2016 he also had the lowest voting record of any active MEP in parliament.

• In 2017, Nigel came under fire for anti-semitism after an LBC interview in which he described the so-called U.S. “Jewish lobby” as a concern of his.

• In April 2018, Nigel publicly stated he thinks Donald Trump should win the Nobel Peace Prize.

• Nigel made €700,000 from media appearances between 2014-2018.

• This year, he described climate change as a “scam”.

• Today, it’s been announced that the European Parliament will investigate Nigel for neglecting to declare expenses funded by Arron Banks during the Brexit referendum. Arron allegedly donated £8.4 million to the leave campaign.

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The man is a loathsome, racist ****wit and I really don't mind if you email him my posts.
 


beorhthelm

A. Virgo, Football Genius
Jul 21, 2003
35,264
Indeed.

Looks like Labour are going to go full remain at last - should be the end of the socialist dinosaur.

not sure it works like that, the party/NEC determines policy and they are majority Corbynites arent they?
 




Eeyore

Lord Donkey of Queen's Park
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Apr 5, 2014
23,376
Remain parties really did **** up

Taking each other’s votes.

In terms of seats, yes.

But seats don't matter here. It's the percentage of the vote. Ultimately, it will tell us where we are at now.

It's as clear as mud, mind.
 






The Rivet

Well-known member
Aug 9, 2011
4,512
Some pretty racist stuff in this list of unlikeable things about Farage.

Last September, the Ukip leader announced there was a "dark side" to immigration and that London was suffering from a "Romanian crime wave".

He also suggested in an interview with the aforementioned James O'Brien that he would feel concerned if a group of Romanian migrants moved in next door. When questioned what the difference was between Romanian and German migrants, he said "You know what the difference is".

He then blamed that outburst, which was criticised as a "racial slur", on being tired.



By gal-dem staff GAL-DEMPOLITICS 21st May 2019




• In 1981, when Nigel was appointed as a prefect at his school, an English teacher wrote to the headteacher asking him to reconsider his decision, citing his fascist views. Another said that on a Combined Cadet Force (CCF) camp organised by the college, Farage and others “marched through a quiet Sussex village very late at night shouting Hitler-youth songs.”

• Skip forward to 2006 – when Nigel became the leader of UKIP, the UK Independence Party. The party is on the far right, and campaigned for the UK to leave the EU. Policies included strict caps on immigration, a five-year ban on unskilled workers, and a five-year wait before migrants could claim benefits.

• In 2009 Nigel boasted that he took two million pounds of taxpayers’ money in expenses and allowances, on top of what was already a £64,000 a year salary.

• In 2013 Nigel said he supports Muslim immigrants who “integrate” into society, but not those that are “coming here to take us over”.

• In a 2014 interview on LBC, Nige said he felt “uncomfortable” when he heard people speaking in other languages on London transport.

• The same year, he said the “basic principle” of Enoch Powell’s infamous anti-immigration “Rivers of Blood” speech was correct.

• On women and work, he also said in 2014: “If a woman with a client base has a child and takes two or three years off work, she is worth far less to the employer when she comes back than when she goes away because her client base cannot be stuck rigidly to her.”

• On the same topic, he added: “Maybe it’s because I’ve got so many women pregnant over the years that I have a different view [of maternity leave].”

• On his political idols, he said: “As an operator, but not as a human being, I would say Putin. The way he played the whole Syria thing. Brilliant.”

• In 2014 Nigel also said he would be concerned if Romanian immigrants moved in next door to him.

• The same year, he blamed immigrants for making him late to an event where he was speaking. He said his lateness “has nothing to do with professionalism, what it does have to do with is a country in which the population is going through the roof chiefly because of open-door immigration and the fact that the M4 is not as navigable as it used to be”.

• Nigel called for a ban on people with HIV migrating to the UK. When asked who should be allowed to come to the UK instead, he stated: “People who do not have HIV, to be frank. That’s a good start. And people with a skill.”

• In 2015, Nigel then said that NHS money spent on recent immigrants with HIV would be better placed treating other taxpayers with serious conditions.

• Nigel defended a UKIP candidate who used a racist slur against Chinese people. Referring to the incident, he said: “If you and your mates were going out for a Chinese, what do you say you’re going for?”

• In June 2016, Nigel unveiled an anti-immigrant poster that suggested that immigration was at “Breaking Point”, as part of the leave campaign. The poster was reported to the police on the grounds that it aimed to incite racial hatred.






• When Britain left the EU in 2016, Nigel boasted that the campaign had been won “without a bullet being fired”. This was eight days after Labour MP Jo Cox was fatally shot.

• The same year, he said that if he could, he would vote for Donald Trump in the US presidential elections.

• After Donald Trump won the election, Nigel was the first person to visit him, in the Trump Tower.

• He later said in an interview that he “couldn’t be happier” for Donald, whilst describing Barack Obama as a “loathsome individual” and a “creature”.





• Nigel also praised Donald for “dominating” Hillary Clinton, like a “silverback gorilla”.

• Like Tommy Robinson, Nigel has close links with Steve Bannon, Donald’s chief strategist and founder of alt-right news platform Breitbart News.

• In 2016 he also had the lowest voting record of any active MEP in parliament.

• In 2017, Nigel came under fire for anti-semitism after an LBC interview in which he described the so-called U.S. “Jewish lobby” as a concern of his.

• In April 2018, Nigel publicly stated he thinks Donald Trump should win the Nobel Peace Prize.

• Nigel made €700,000 from media appearances between 2014-2018.

• This year, he described climate change as a “scam”.

• Today, it’s been announced that the European Parliament will investigate Nigel for neglecting to declare expenses funded by Arron Banks during the Brexit referendum. Arron allegedly donated £8.4 million to the leave campaign.

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Tell him all that directly. E-mail him with those accusations. Go on then send me proof. See how you get on. You might be irritated by me but I don't care.....:smile:
 


The Clamp

Well-known member
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Jan 11, 2016
24,272
West is BEST
Tell him all that directly. E-mail him with those accusations. Go on then send me proof. See how you get on. You might be irritated by me but I don't care.....:smile:

You don't irritate me, it's good to debate. He doesn't seem keen to sue anyone among the many, many outlets that have accused him outright of racism so I'm not particularly bothered. If you don't consider the facts to be proof, that's your right. It doesn't change the facts.
 


beorhthelm

A. Virgo, Football Genius
Jul 21, 2003
35,264
We need a general election ASAP

This is a complete mess

Let Brexit party stand and that will change then numbers in parliament

dont think that would change anything. Brexit wouldnt win enough to make a shift. the parliamentry vote need the rump of soft leavers/reluctant leavers (remainers) to back the current deal, or make an assertive move toward revoke A50. chose a path, lead on it. a GE will shift numbers maybe a dozen or two around without really massive shift in numbers. only way GE makes a difference is if Labour come out full bore remain, not respecting the vote on different agreement (that doesnt exist and probably cant be done).
 






The Rivet

Well-known member
Aug 9, 2011
4,512
I think clamp that I will concede a certain point. The mass of European peoples have to be co-operative. That however should not take central, ultimate defense or economic powers away from the nation state.
 






Yoda

English & European
In terms of the results so far in the South East, it is as follows:

3 Seats: Brexit Party & Lib Dems
2 Seats: Green
1 Seat: Cons & Labour

Giving pro EU 5 seats, Brexit 3 and 2 for can't make their minds up. - Big shift from the initial referendum results.
 


dingodan

New member
Feb 16, 2011
10,080
Oh come on, it is run by Nigel Farage.

When Farage is involved, there will always be racism. That's what he is. He has assembled a rather disagreeable rabble to join him in his quest for power. As have many parties to be fair!
What can I say? I don't like the man or his politics.
However, listening to the Westminster Hour on R4 now and the Brexit Party seem to be doing well, a few MEP's so far. The UK's name is going to be dirt come tomorrow.

Apart from the fact that you have zero justification for calling the Brexit Party racist (other than you don't like their politics) the Brexit party has many black and ethnic minority candidates.

So this supposedly racist party have put forward many BAME candidates (despite their racism?), and according to you these BAME candidates have joined and are campaigning for a racist party, an unequivocally racist party no less.

Any idea how offensive that suggestion would be to those candidates?

You guys are seriously sick in the head.
 






The Clamp

Well-known member
NSC Patreon
Jan 11, 2016
24,272
West is BEST
I think clamp that I will concede a certain point. The mass of European peoples have to be co-operative. That however should not take central, ultimate defense or economic powers away from the nation state.

I don't see that it does take away those powers.However, whatI think is going to be proved largely irrelevant soon enough as I have resigned myself to the likelyhood that in October we will crash out with no deal. I am of the opinion that if the worst can happen, it will when it comes to Brexit and our current government.
 




The Rivet

Well-known member
Aug 9, 2011
4,512
I don't see that it does take away those powers.However, whatI think is going to be proved largely irrelevant soon enough as I have resigned myself to the likelyhood that in October we will crash out with no deal. I am of the opinion that if the worst can happen, it will when it comes to Brexit and our current government.

You know clamp I am far more comfortable in conversation with you when it is not insulting or denigrating. Good.
 


The Clamp

Well-known member
NSC Patreon
Jan 11, 2016
24,272
West is BEST
Apart from the fact that you have zero justification for calling the Brexit Party racist (other than you don't like their politics) the Brexit party has many black and ethnic minority candidates.

So this supposedly racist party have put forward many BAME candidates (despite their racism?), and according to you these BAME candidates have joined and are campaigning for a racist party, an unequivocally racist party no less.

Any idea how offensive that suggestion would be to those candidates?

You guys are seriously sick in the head.

Whatever the reason these party members are there, it doesn't change my belief that Farage is a racist.
 






Eeyore

Lord Donkey of Queen's Park
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Apr 5, 2014
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Widdecombe, The Brexit Parties poster girl gets in

It was funny how she proclaimed the hard BREXIT message and how the people had spoken.

Yet a look at her regional result has the remain parties with the highest share...
 



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