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If there was a second Brexit referendum how would you vote?

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pastafarian

pastafarian

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Sep 4, 2011
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clapham_gull said:
I can answer that, he does.

He proposed the same when he was Mayor of London.


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I can answer it as well. He hasn’t said he wants an amnesty for ALL illegal immigrants, even though you seem to believe he has



When we was mayor he commissioned a report looking into those that had been illegal here for at least 5 years who had not committed serious criminal offences whilst being here.
https://www.london.gov.uk/sites/def...les_destination/irregular-migrants-report.pdf


He said during the referendum he still backed this sort of amnesty, but had now raised the bar to apply to illegals who have been here for 12 years.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-po...-johnson-calls-for-illegal-immigrants-amnesty.


When he was Foreign secretary he said it should be for illegals who have been here for over a decade who have not committed crimes.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politic...lenges-theresa-may-introduce-migrant-amnesty/


And at the beginning of this month in an interview for the Mail he raised this sort of amnesty again, but now to apply to illegals who have been here for at least 15 years.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...e-law-sex-attackers-increase-stop-search.html.



Perhaps you can explain how his amnesty plans refers to ALL illegals. Are you seriously try to say ALL illegals have been here for at least 5 years (his first benchmark) and now at least been here for 15 years (his new benchmark) and none of them have ever been involved in serious criminal activity?
 




clapham_gull

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Aug 20, 2003
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pastafarian said:
I can answer it as well. He hasn’t said he wants an amnesty for ALL illegal immigrants, even though you seem to believe he has



When we was mayor he commissioned a report looking into those that had been illegal here for at least 5 years who had not committed serious criminal offences whilst being here.
https://www.london.gov.uk/sites/def...les_destination/irregular-migrants-report.pdf


He said during the referendum he still backed this sort of amnesty, but had now raised the bar to apply to illegals who have been here for 12 years.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-po...-johnson-calls-for-illegal-immigrants-amnesty.


When he was Foreign secretary he said it should be for illegals who have been here for over a decade who have not committed crimes.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politic...lenges-theresa-may-introduce-migrant-amnesty/


And at the beginning of this month in an interview for the Mail he raised this sort of amnesty again, but now to apply to illegals who have been here for at least 15 years.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...e-law-sex-attackers-increase-stop-search.html.



Perhaps you can explain how his amnesty plans refers to ALL illegals. Are you seriously try to say ALL illegals have been here for at least 5 years (his first benchmark) and now at least been here for 15 years (his new benchmark) and none of them have ever been involved in serious criminal activity?
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Nice try.

The point is that is come as bloody shock that the new hero of the "alt-right" wants an immigration amnesty hasn't it ? Well not to me....

Tell the truth - do you agree with an Amnesty on illegal immigrants (they have already broken the law) if they haven't committed another offence ?

Or have you just absorbed that now :lolol:
 


pastafarian

pastafarian

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JCL666 said:
what is the point of this thread?

pretty sure no one has changed their opinion because of it.


it just seems full of bile and people getting angry.
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No one is required to change their opinion to have the decision given by the one-off referendum vote respected and enacted.
 




pastafarian

pastafarian

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clapham_gull said:
Nice try.

The point is that is come as bloody shock that the new hero of the "alt-right" wants an immigration amnesty hasn't it ? Well not to me....

Tell the truth - do you agree with an Amnesty on illegal immigrants (they have already broken the law) if they haven't committed another offence ?

Or have you just absorbed that now :lolol:
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You can just admit you know that he isnt referring to an amnesty for ALL illegals after all, even though you initially believed he was.
 




ManOfSussex

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pastafarian said:
You can just admit you know that he isnt referring to an amnesty for ALL illegals after all, even though you initially believed he was.
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For Christ sake man, stop being such an English public School saddo and try and get a girlfriend.

 


clapham_gull

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pastafarian said:
You can just admit you know that he isnt referring to an amnesty for ALL illegals after all, even though you initially believed he was.
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Keep digging the hole ( are you ok actually, that was your argument with someone else? )

I know perfectly well what his position is and what it refers to, cos the frothing at the mouth brigade in the London assembly got their knickers in a twist too.

That must have been a dagger in your heart when he said that in Parliament.

:clap:

Boris Johnson the free spending, free shagging, environmental urban liberal opportunist chancer who doesn't like the EU very much (well he'll tell you that).

He's just completed the mission Jeffery Archer failed.

Frothing at the mouth brigade (tick)
ERG (tick)
Higher paid public servants with a tax cut (tick)
Environmentalists (tick)
The Urban and Liberal on immigration (tick)
The North (I'll build you a railway) (tick)

.. and he shits pound notes apparently :)
 
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Lever

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Feb 6, 2019
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Sussex Nomad said:
I love Boris, I love England, Scotland can do one, EU can do one, Corbyn loves terrorists and doesn't know the words to our national anthem, the future is bright, the future is Boris.
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...so you prefer charisma and reassuring fantasies to inconvenient truths. Got it!
 






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Lever

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Feb 6, 2019
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clapham_gull said:
Be kind, is also supportive of an immigration amnesty and billions borrowed for vanity projects.

Spend, spend, spend and "let them in" ! That's "our" Boris.

:clap::clap::clap::clap:
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Yes but his choice of cabinet betrays him....

CABINET: THE HIGHLIGHTS

PRIME MINISTER The one who lied about everything

CHANCELLOR The one whose immigration policy would exclude his Dad

FOREIGN The one who hadn’t realised we were surrounded by sea

DEFENCE The one who was sacked for leaking state secrets

HEALTH The one who burnt what principles he had for the job

DWP The other one who burnt what principles had for the job

BREXIT The one who failed in the last job

ENVIRONMENT The one who hates the environment but loves fracking

SPECIAL ADVISER The one found guilty of contempt of Parliament and of cheating in the referendum
 


clapham_gull

clapham_gull

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Lever said:
Yes but his choice of cabinet betrays him....

CABINET: THE HIGHLIGHTS

PRIME MINISTER The one who lied about everything

CHANCELLOR The one whose immigration policy would exclude his Dad

FOREIGN The one who hadn’t realised we were surrounded by sea

DEFENCE The one who was sacked for leaking state secrets

HEALTH The one who burnt what principles he had for the job

DWP The other one who burnt what principles had for the job

BREXIT The one who failed in the last job

ENVIRONMENT The one who hates the environment but loves fracking

SPECIAL ADVISER The one found guilty of contempt of Parliament and of cheating in the referendum
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BRILLIANT ISN'T IT ?

Ha, ha, ha, ha.

He has appointed a cabinet that disagrees with him on EVERYTHING, except the EU and I struggling to believe that one.

He does LOVE Trump though....

I wouldn't want to expose Londoners to any unnecessary risk of meeting Donald Trump.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4EAc0QFubs
 
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pastafarian

pastafarian

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clapham_gull said:
Keep digging the hole ( are you ok actually, that was your argument with someone else? )

I know perfectly well what his position is and what it refers to, cos the frothing at the mouth brigade in the London assembly got their knickers in a twist too.

That must have been a dagger in your heart when he said that in Parliament.

:clap:

Boris Johnson the free spending, free shagging, environmental urban liberal opportunist chancer who doesn't like the EU very much (well he'll tell you that).

He's just completed the mission Jeffery Archer failed.
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If you already knew what his position was and that it refers to an amnesty for illegals that have been here for years (currently 15 years in the Johnson position) and who have not been involved in criminal activity whilst here, then its all the more strange you have said his position relates to an amnesty for ALL illegals......when it clearly doesnt apply to ALL illegals and most definitely cannot apply to ALL illegals, as many will fall outside the parameters Johnson has in his position (ie at least 15 years being here and not been involved in criminal activity whilst here)
 




Herr Tubthumper

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Jul 11, 2003
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Cruise ship bosses: mass brawl on ship Britannia was not sparked by man in clown suit walking into black-tie event
Cruise ship bosses have disputed reports that a mass brawl on board a liner was sparked by a man in a clown suit gatecrashing a black-tie event on board.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/...-man-in-clown-suit-walking-into-a4199816.html


Rule Britannia!

Was that [MENTION=12935]GT49er[/MENTION] who gate crashed the party?

:lolol:
 






JC Footy Genius

JC Footy Genius

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Jun 9, 2015
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Baldseagull said:
“There is a European free trade zone from Iceland to the Russian border and we will be part of it… Britain will have access to the Single Market after we vote leave… The idea that our trade will suffer because we stop imposing terrible rules such as the Clinical Trial Directive is silly.” Vote Leave

"We can control our Borders and have a fairer system which welcomes people based on the skills they have, not the passport they hold" Vote Leave
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Nice selective quoting ...

There is a European free trade zone from Iceland to the Russian border and we will be part of it. The heart of what we all want is the continuation of tariff-free trade with minimal bureaucracy. Countries as far away as Australia have Mutual Recognition agreements with the EU that deal with complex customs (and other ‘non-tariff barrier’) issues. We will do the same.

The EU’s supporters say ‘we must have access to the Single Market’. Britain will have access to the Single Market after we vote leave. British businesses that want to sell to the EU will obey EU rules just as American, Swiss, or Chinese businesses do. Only about one in twenty British businesses export to the EU but every business is subject to every EU law. There is no need for Britain to impose all EU rules on all UK businesses as we do now, any more than Australia or Canada or India imposes all EU rules on their businesses. British businesses that wish to follow Single Market rules should be able to without creating obligations on everybody else to follow them. The vast majority of British businesses that do not sell to the EU will benefit from the much greater flexibility we will have.

The idea that our trade will suffer because we stop imposing terrible rules such as the Clinical Trial Directive is silly. The idea that ‘access to the Single Market’ is a binary condition and one must accept all Single Market rules is already nonsense - the Schengen system is ‘Single Market’ and we are not part of that. After we vote to leave, we will expand the number of damaging Single Market rules that we no longer impose and we will behave like the vast majority of countries around the world, trading with the EU but, crucially, without accepting the supremacy of EU law.

It says we will have similar access as a country like Australia .. nowhere does vote leave say we will have the same access as we have now it just says we will have access, all countries around the world have 'access' to the single market. The further statements make it clear we do not want the same access to the single market.

It's also worth pointing out that both Vote Leave and Britain Stronger in Europe weren't going to be in government to implement anything.

http://www.voteleavetakecontrol.org/briefing_newdeal.html
 


Herr Tubthumper

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Britannia left Bergen at 14.30 on Thursday, the violence occurred 12 hours later after a black-tie evening. It followed an afternoon of ‘patriotic’ partying on deck, with large amounts of alcohol being consumed by many guests.
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“patriotic partying”
 


clapham_gull

clapham_gull

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Aug 20, 2003
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Herr Tubthumper said:
Cruise ship bosses: mass brawl on ship Britannia was not sparked by man in clown suit walking into black-tie event
Cruise ship bosses have disputed reports that a mass brawl on board a liner was sparked by a man in a clown suit gatecrashing a black-tie event on board.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/...-man-in-clown-suit-walking-into-a4199816.html


Rule Britannia!

Was that [MENTION=12935]GT49er[/MENTION] who gate crashed the party?

:lolol:
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The brawl was started by Brexit supporters who had just found out that Boris had announced an immigration Amnesty.

THEY ARE SEETHING.

:catfight:

:clap::clap::clap::clap:

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/266925
 








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