You didn't say Germany and France were the main players, you said Germany and France have ALL THE POWER. Look at what YOU wrote in the last 5 minutes !
They have power proportional to their populations, hence the main players are Germany, UK, Italy, France, Poland, Spain, Roumania and Netherlands, which you would know if you looked at the link I very kindly provided you with rather than just running off your pre-conceived, incorrect assumptions
I don't think you could have summed it up more accurately.
[MENTION=1365]Westdene Seagull[/MENTION] is fine on other threads and I agree with lots of things he has said over the years but this thread is really strange.
He accepts that there isn't and never was a 'good deal' and the only deal available was a TM type deal with some sort of customs union (or backstop). He understands that no-one can give the faintest definition of what this 'good deal' that was sold by the Leave campaign actually consists of, and the reason for that is because it was a lie.
I believe that he also now accepts that 'no deal' is, as near as dammit, 'project fear'. I think that he also understands that ending free movement for EU citizens on day one of Brexit is impossible and that having no border in NI and allowing tariff free trade access to the world is an impossible situation from which to commence trade talks. As a result I think he now understands that 'no deal' is also a lie.
Now, obviously he is not a dribbling moron like [MENTION=11191]Pretty pink fairy[/MENTION] or [MENTION=2719]Mouldy Boots[/MENTION] , and nor is he easily confused and hopelessly naive like [MENTION=22389]bashlsdir[/MENTION].
He could, of course, simply say 'I still don't like the EU but can see that leaving at this time would not be of any benefit to Britain' but instead he continues to push a 'good deal' and 'no deal' as possible solutions despite these Leave campaign soundbites being shown to be complete and utter lies that are undefinable and unimplementable.
I really can't think of any other reason why a seemingly intelligent individual would try to push undefinable, unimplementable lies other than 'the thrall of the brexit madness' (or maybe he runs some serious investment funds)
*edit*
I've just thought. Supposing [MENTION=11191]Pretty pink fairy[/MENTION], [MENTION=2719]Mouldy Boots[/MENTION] , [MENTION=22389]bashlsdir[/MENTION] and [MENTION=1365]Westdene Seagull[/MENTION] turned out to be partners in a group responsible for some serious overseas investment funds. Some of us would look a bit silly then
Very funny, and I agree that [MENTION=1365]Westdene Seagull[/MENTION] is a good poster and sounds like someone I'd be happy to have a beer with. But I had him on ignore for a while, owing to posts on this thread. Mistake long since rectified.
Oddly, if anyone can get a deal it is Boris. I was amused by his quick witted response to Angie yesterday. But, blimey, talk about the brass neck of a gambler - and if the gamble fails he'll look like evefry other failed gambler. Plus this is a gamble having already had a punt on Brexit, in a considerable way responsible for where we are.
A good analogy would be Boris is the knight in shining armour with the cunning plan for defeating the enemy he had encouraged his predecessors to attack (ending in abject defeat). WTAF?
Anyway, as you were.
Says someone who needs educating on the referendum result, oh dear have another cap
That's choice coming from you
Regards
DR
Very funny, and I agree that [MENTION=1365]Westdene Seagull[/MENTION] is a good poster and sounds like someone I'd be happy to have a beer with. But I had him on ignore for a while, owing to posts on this thread. Mistake long since rectified.
Oddly, if anyone can get a deal it is Boris. I was amused by his quick witted response to Angie yesterday. But, blimey, talk about the brass neck of a gambler - and if the gamble fails he'll look like evefry other failed gambler. Plus this is a gamble having already had a punt on Brexit, in a considerable way responsible for where we are.
A good analogy would be Boris is the knight in shining armour with the cunning plan for defeating the enemy he had encouraged his predecessors to attack (ending in abject defeat). WTAF?
Anyway, as you were.
I don't think you could have summed it up more accurately.
[MENTION=1365]Westdene Seagull[/MENTION] is fine on other threads and I agree with lots of things he has said over the years but this thread is really strange.
He accepts that there isn't and never was a 'good deal' and the only deal available was a TM type deal with some sort of customs union (or backstop). He understands that no-one can give the faintest definition of what this 'good deal' that was sold by the Leave campaign actually consists of, and the reason for that is because it was a lie.
I believe that he also now accepts that 'no deal' is, as near as dammit, 'project fear'. I think that he also understands that ending free movement for EU citizens on day one of Brexit is impossible and that having no border in NI and allowing tariff free trade access to the world is an impossible situation from which to commence trade talks. As a result I think he now understands that 'no deal' is also a lie.
Now, obviously he is not a dribbling moron like [MENTION=11191]Pretty pink fairy[/MENTION] or [MENTION=2719]Mouldy Boots[/MENTION] , and nor is he easily confused and hopelessly naive like [MENTION=22389]bashlsdir[/MENTION].
He could, of course, simply say 'I still don't like the EU but can see that leaving at this time would not be of any benefit to Britain' but instead he continues to push a 'good deal' and 'no deal' as possible solutions despite these Leave campaign soundbites being shown to be complete and utter lies that are undefinable and unimplementable.
I really can't think of any other reason why a seemingly intelligent individual would try to push undefinable, unimplementable lies other than 'the thrall of the brexit madness' (or maybe he runs some serious investment funds
*edit*
I've just thought. Supposing [MENTION=11191]Pretty pink fairy[/MENTION], [MENTION=2719]Mouldy Boots[/MENTION] , [MENTION=22389]bashlsdir[/MENTION] and [MENTION=1365]Westdene Seagull[/MENTION] turned out to be partners in a group responsible for some serious overseas investment funds. Some of us would look a bit silly then
