[Politics] Brexit

Pretty pink fairy said:

Richard Tice reveals REAL reason the EU is desperate for Britain to stay in the bloc

https://f7td5.app.goo.gl/zwbTD6

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Regards
DF

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Stat Brother said:

Sorry to do this too the right minded folk on this thread.
But you're going to have to explain to the jingoist myopic idiots on here why this is bollox, of the highest order:-

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I'm off to work.

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Motogull said:

I get that but what has changed since the last rejection of that attempt?

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nicko31 said:

PersonaIly, I don't think 70% of leavers favour no deal because they stupid, most are just ignorant. Anyone who half of grasp would not favour this position...

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Swansman said:

No idea if EU is preventing the UK from building homes as I dont know enough about how you've done it in the past. But I know for certain that Sweden's "million program" could not happen under EU jurisdiction. If UK and EU have identical ideas about how society should be run, then the issues listed dont apply to you; good for you, but to us it EU membership changed society on a deeper than economical level.

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Harry Wilson's tackle said:

It depends how you define 'majority'. If the Lib Dems get enough seats to have a workable majority in parliament they will have a 'majority' by definition. In our present system that is the way it is and always has been.

Whether it is fair would be another question. But this opens a can of worms - those who find themselves in the minority often argue that this isn't fair because their views are disregarded. They have a point. But on some issues a middle ground isn't possible. Abortion, capital punishment and membership of the EU......very hard to find a half way house.

We have had minority governments in the past, where the majority of seats don't reflect the majority vote. Indeed in America Bush the younger was elected president on a minority vote, owing to their electoral college system - perhaps the most stark 'travesty' of unfairness possible? Not really.

Also, let us not forget, because turnout in the UK is never close to 100%, no government to my knowledge has ever benefitted from a true numerical majority of those eligible to vote. And without wishing to dig up old bones, the Brexit majority was not >50% of your actual electorate (say the last 3 words in the voice of Alf Garnett for proper emphasis)

So the bottom line is we have a system and we generally accept it, carping only when the outcome doesn't suit.

Anyway, I remain convinced we will tumble out with no deal in October, either with Boris not requesting an extension or doing so in a manner easily refused by br'er EU.

A Brexit supporting pal is convinced the EU will offer an extension, or accept one no matter how flimsy Boris' request 'because they are desperate that we don't leave'. I would find that amusing if it happens but I would esimate the chance of it is less than 10%.

Frankly I am surprised PPF bothers to read this thread anymore (unless he comes to gloat)






Oh.

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WATFORD zero said:

I can't understand why people get confused by a simple change of terminology. It's quite simple.

In any implementation/transition period (or whatever else it's going to be re-branded as) we stay in the Customs Union.

If, in that period (much like the last 3.5 years) no one can come up with an alternative to a hard border in Ireland, we stay in the Customs Union.

Call it backstop if what you want, but it's staying in the Customs Union

And before some pedant starts, yes I know it's a “single customs territory”

This has been the exact same situation (and exactly the same issue) since the day after the referendum, and long before, but was drowned out by people shouting 'PROJECT FEAR'

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WATFORD zero said:

I really don't know why I bother, but one last time.

No Regulatory divergence from the starting point of Customs Union does indeed mean no issues with NI border all the time there is no divergence (which is nothing like what Canada have). A bit like staying in the Customs Union or the Backstop.

Any Regulatory divergence (Which Canada have and is one of the main benefits according to you) from that starting point means introducing problems because there will be different rules for each side of the NI border, which neither side wants to exist. Hence the Backstop.

I really don't know how much simpler I can make this

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JC Footy Genius said:

I doubt anyone does.

My 'starting negotiations with complete regulatory alignment' point was to do with timescales of negotiating trade deals after you kept helpfully pointing out the EU takes forever to negotiate trade deals.

The 'benefits of regulatory divergence' point wouldn't necessarily lead to problems at the borders see mutual recognition of standards. Mutual recognition for some products is part of the Canada deal.

Simple ... indeed

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Mouldy Boots said:

My point is she is a liar just like all the rest, she has one aim in life PM and so many others spout the same about Boris, they are all the same they will lie to get what THEY want. The problem is Swinson she really thinks she will win and election off the back of it, it's never going to happen.



Above: they are all liars, just trying to restore some common sense to the bubbleheads.



Would you really put your family at risk?
It will all come out one day, but I ain't going to be the one to let go.



They are all liars, just trying to restore some common sense to the bubbleheads.



So I got the picture wrong maybe, but I have the BALLS to admit when I am wrong, that's me, I am consistent and have standards and morals and would never back the murdering IRA.



Read above if you're still stalking me.



I agree with you on all parts, except it's is what the country voted for so Swinson is undemocratic. Like you say she will never win but the worrying thing is she really believes she will, but austerity will not continue either, only in the minds of some.



They are all LIARS.



Same old Shite different day Hans, perhaps you should open up your Corbyn centrefold mag and let loose, you will feel much better for it.





I have no doubt she has principles but they are all about her climbing to power and she changes every five minutes just to get her votes. She is not to be trusted.

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Stat Brother said:

Sorry to do this too the right minded folk on this thread.
But you're going to have to explain to the jingoist myopic idiots on here why this is bollox, of the highest order:-

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I'm off to work.

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lawros left foot said:

He makes no mention of Iceland extending their exclusion zone to 200 miles in 1976 which absolutely devastated our fishing fleets, but, I suppose that doesn’t suit his narrative.

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WATFORD zero said:

CANADA DOESN'T SHARE A LAND BORDER WITH THE EU FFS

I've had enough of trying to follow you round and round in circles. You're going nowhere and I'm getting dizzy

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JC Footy Genius said:

Land, Sea, Air If you recognise each others regulatory standards you don't have to carry out regulatory standard checks at the border so diverging from EU standards wouldn't cause the issues you suggested

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Raleigh Chopper said:

I think that of all the political clowns that have been directly involved with Brexit, David Davies is the biggest clown of them all.
There is something very odd about him, as he just seems to laugh through everything.
No wonder we are the laughing stock of Europe and the rest of the world and now we have Johnson.
We need an election now and everyone should vote Liberal Democrat.

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Mo Gosfield said:

Where in Kent is travel likely to be difficult? Are the Medway towns going to be gridlocked ( Gravesend, Rochester, Chatham, Gillingham ) Is the Thanet Way going to be impassable? Will you not be able to travel along the A259 to Margate and Broadstairs? Will Canterbury shut down? What about Maidstone and Sevenoaks and Tunbridge Wells and the whole of Mid-Kent....gridlocked? Will the queues stretch up the M26 and then eventually reach the M25, shutting down our busiest orbital motorway? I fear for the Isle of Sheppey. Its residents cut off from the rest of Kent.
Is the M20 going to cease to function? Will the residents of Dover and Folkestone be marooned, cut off, besieged, unable to get out of their towns? If they are, there are always the local coastal roads, Dover to Deal and Sandwich, Folkestone to Hythe etc

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