Indeed, but they didn't look close to power back in 2016. I assumed that the UK would negotiate a fair deal with the EU. I was mistaken.
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[Politics] Brexit
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dingodan
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- Feb 16, 2011
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I love all these remainers saying that MP's should do what they think is best, regardless of the people, that's how it works.
I'm sure they would have said the same if remain had won in 2016 and a Conservative government had decided to take us out of the EU anyway, because they think it's in our best interests.
The real test of whether you believe in democracy comes when you lose, and it's a test so many are failing so badly it's unreal.
I'm sure they would have said the same if remain had won in 2016 and a Conservative government had decided to take us out of the EU anyway, because they think it's in our best interests.
The real test of whether you believe in democracy comes when you lose, and it's a test so many are failing so badly it's unreal.
- Jul 10, 2003
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I think it's best to just leave it that there is more than one definition of democracy.
The rest of the world's and yours
But it's definitely not moaning, because you don't moan, it's just the facts
Thats how our democracy works - or what taking back control looks like.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Jo Johnson has quit as a Tory MP because he can't support his own brother.
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I feel exactly the same. Last night basically finished Brexit for me personally. Others saying we are still leaving, believe it when I see it.
dingodan
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I think it's best to just leave it that there is more than one definition of democracy.
The rest of the world's and yours
Well if my definition, which involves voting and that vote actually mattering, isn't how you think democracy works, then I dread to think what your definition involves.
Apparently you seem to think democracy involves voting for people who will then do what they want, regardless of what they said to convince you to elect them, and you can like it or lump it because they are in charge.
This is just an example of the rats leaving the sinking ship. Jo Johnson has seen the marble rolling down the slightly tipped table and he knows where it will end up so he's just predicting it before it happens. The true Tory heroes are the ones who spoke out well ahead of this (Sir Roger Gale) and the 21 MPs who defied the whip at the expense of their own careers.
pasty
A different kind of pasty
What, like expelling MP's who use their democratic right to disagree with you?
Blue Valkyrie
Not seen such Bravery!
The Johnson dynasty backs both horses.
If that's all that happened, then it seems a big deal wasn't made of it.
- Jul 10, 2003
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Then i'm very sorry and can understand your frustration completely because you are being governed by a system which you obviously don't understand. I think I would probably be frustrated in your position.
If you want to read up about it, it's called Parliamentary democracy. Hope this helps
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
I bet you can't or won't answer this - but what should happen with regard to Brexit and the Northern Irish border? To me, this is the only thing that actually matter. If the country wants a hard Brexit, fine, but that simply cannot be allowed to happen in Northern Ireland.
Do you think the whole UK should leave regardless? Do you think GB should leave but NI should stay in the EU? Do you think we shouldn't have held the referendum before that question was considered? Genuinely interested, because for me that is the real crux of the issue.
dingodan
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- Feb 16, 2011
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MP's voting in Parliament are not exercising their "democratic right", that is exercised when people vote in an election.
When MP's vote they are fulfilling their democratic duty. To represent the people who sent them there to represent them.
True, but Jo Johnson knows the narrative of the PM's own brother abandoning him is about as big as Churchill's Grandson, the Father of the House, the former chancellor being booted out.
All the more reason for the Opposition to wait and watch the Tories fall apart further from their point of view.
highflyer
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- Jan 21, 2016
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I'm not a 'remainer'. I want a soft Brexit. That option could have carried a majority in Parliament. but May was too scared of her hard liners to do what she knew was necessary.
A Conservative Government would still have needed a majority in Parliament to take us out inh the face of a remain vote.
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daveinplzen
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- Aug 31, 2018
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Nicolas Soames constituency voted to remain. Look where thats got him.
You are being disingenuous. You normally write sensibly (even if I disagree with you). If you can't work out what I mean I give up. And because I give up it means everything is finished. FINISHED. Oh, hang on, no, that would be a completely silly thing to say.
Seen that Bojo's brother has just resigned? Bojo is behaving very badly, but it really isn't the end of politics. Nothing is 'over'. The process has gone a bit peculiar but I think we are a long way from a feral free-for-all.